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PUBLIC WORKS AND SAFETY Minutes 10202025 ApprovedApproved CITY OF MUSKEGO PUBLIC WORKS AND SAFETY COMMITTEE MINUTES 10/20/2025 5:30 PM Muskego City Hall, W182 S8200 Racine Ave CALL TO ORDER Alderperson Madden called the meeting to order at 5:38 PM. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE Those present recited the Pledge of Allegiance. ROLL CALL tie City of �J"MITSKEGO Present: Alderpersons Madden, Duelge and Decker; Scott Kroeger, Director of Public Works and Development, Police Chief Westphal Absent: None STATEMENT OF PUBLIC NOTICE The meeting was posted in accordance with open meeting laws on October 17, 2025. STATUS OF PROJECTS Discussion update. No formal action may be taken on the following: Road Program 2025 Director Kroeger stated that the entire road program has been completed with the exception of one punchlist item at the library, which the contractor is finishing. Lastly, the LRIP request for funds was submitted to Waukesha County, which then goes to the WisDOT. PP/II 2024/2025 Project Director Kroeger explained the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District (MMSD) project is complete. There are no more items on the punchlist and they are always monitoring for grass restoration and sinkholes. Otherwise, the invoice reimbursements are being wrapped up and the program is completed for the year. Police Chief Updates Police Chief Westphal commented on the crash that occurred on Saturday. A copy of the press release has been shared. The Flock cameras that the Council funds is the reason the vehicle was able to be located. There was a pursuit until the crash occurred. The driver was arrested and charged with multiple offenses. The Police Chief explained that he takes this extremely seriously and will ensure with the Waukesha County District Attorney that this person is held accountable. This Wednesday (10/22/25), a concealed carry weapons class will be held in conjunction with the Citizens Academy Alumni Association. Next Monday (10/27/25) there will be the Trunk -or -Treat event at City Hall in the parking lot. The Police will be monitoring all the trick -or -treat events throughout the City making sure those are all done in a safe capacity. UNFINISHED BUSINESS Discussion update and possible action may be taken on any or all of the following: There was no unfinished business discussed. NEW BUSINESS Discussion update and possible action may be taken on any or all of the following: Golf View Estates Development Request for Ditches vs. Curb and Gutter Director Kroeger explained the location of Golf View Estates. In February 2024 there was a 19-lot conservation subdivision approved by the Common Council. In April 2025 the Public Works and Safety Committee approved the plan. Part of the conservation subdivision plan was a walking path that went from Ryan Drive to Boxhorn Drive. The developer is now asking to change the subdivision from 19 lots to 15 lots with lots now over an acre. In the Code if lots are greater than 44,000 square feet a developer can ask this committee to waive the requirement for curb and gutter and replace that with ditches. This is the only topic to be considered tonight. Whatever is decided will need to go back to Plan Commission and Common Council for approval. Alderperson Decker asked if it was originally approved for ditches. Director Kroeger said that the original approval was curb and gutter with 19 lots. Director Kroeger showed the members the original 15-lot and 19-lot yield plans and explained the rural cross section has ditches where the urban cross section has curb and gutter. There would still be water mains, sewer mains and rather than storm sewer there would be swales to move the water to the detention ponds. The reason for the request is financial with curb and gutter being too costly to construct. The Planning and Engineering recommendation would be to keep the curb and gutter within the future subdivision. Director Kroeger listed all of the recent developments in the vicinity that all have curb and gutter including Muskego Lakes Estates, Champions Village, Mallard Reserve, Astor Hills and Boxhorn Reserve. Director Kroeger also mentioned that if the ditches are approved the City does not maintain the ditches. Staff likes curb and gutter due to the cleaner look and the maintenance issues of the ditches. Curb and gutter also prevents issues of people parking on the edge of lawn areas which leads to upset residents and can lead to erosion and rutting issues. The City still plows the road but does not maintain the ditches. Alderperson Madden asked if there are water issues in that area. Director Kroeger noted that there are wetlands and the developer would still need to follow all DNR and MMSD with stormwater but just use swales instead of storm sewer. Alderperson Decker asked which does a better job of getting rid of storm water. Director Kroeger said both ways work. It's just a matter of the residents maintaining the swales. The City maintains the storm sewers. Issues normally happen when the ditches are not maintained by the homeowners. Alderperson Duelge asked how typical this type of development is. Director Kroeger stated that the only recent developments are Madyson Court and Baseler Court which are about two to five acres. These two developments also have wells, septic systems and they are also propane gas. These are on the west side which is more rural. The last two developments on the western side are all curb and gutter as well. Alderperson Duelge clarified that the original request with curb and gutter was due to lot size. Director Kroeger confirmed and said now with larger lots they can make the request for ditches. Alderperson Decker asked what the impact of the August storms were on that area. Director Kroeger was not aware as it is a farm field. Most impacts were north of Woods Road. Jim Maloney, the engineer for the developer, said that Scott Kroeger covered everything. As for the impact from the storms, he checked the road to see if the water topped Ryan Drive and it did not. They like the looks of the curb and gutter also. However the path that is part of the subdivision added $600,000 to the project that was not originally anticipated. By installing ditches and removing the curb and storm sewer they are saving $300,000 to $400,000. The ditches help with storm water as the runoff is better. Alderperson Duelge asked where the path would be. Director Kroeger showed Alderperson Duelge the path. Alderperson Duelge asked who forced the path upon the project. Director Kroeger explained that the path was one of the reasons they did the conservation subdivision and were allowed the extra four lots. Jim Duelge added that the path was an amenity that would allow for the four extra lots. Alderperson Duelge said that by taking four lots away nothing changes with the path. Director Kroeger said that they are looking at the curbing and any other changes would need to go back to Plan Commission and Common Council. Alderperson Duelge asked if there is a difference in lot price with curb and gutter verses ditches. Jim Maloney said that what will help is sewer and water where curb and gutter is just personal preference. Alderperson Madden knows the area well and she has concerns with the City not maintaining the ditches because of issues throughout the City. She prefers the curb and gutter and would love the path to be there. Alderperson Decker said the boardwalk cost is associated with 19 lots. He then asked if they could avoid the boardwalk cost by going back to the 15 lots. Jim Maloney confirmed. Director Kroeger reiterated that they are here to discuss the curb and gutter verses ditches. Alderperson Madden said there will be future development in the area. We are expecting that would all be curb and gutter also correct. Director Kroeger said that typically developments occur with density which would include curb and gutter. Alderperson Decker asked that with 19 lots there is curb and gutter, with 15 lots there is ditches, is there an option for 15 lots with curb and gutter? Director Kroeger said that based on the committee decision, that will be the only option they have for 15 lots. Director Kroeger said that if the committee says 15 lots with curb and gutter, then that is what they have to go with. Jim Maloney said that is how the numbers work. Alderperson Decker asked how 15 lots with curb and gutter work for the developer Jim Maloney confirmed. Alderperson Duelge said he does not have an issue with the request of going to 15 lots with ditches. Alderperson Decker asked if there is a way the City can require that an HOA be put in place to ensure the job is done. Director Kroeger said there will be language on the plat and in the Developer's Agreement that the responsibility will be on the owners. Alderperson Duelge made a motion to approve the request of allowing 15 lots with ditches rather than curb and gutter. Alderperson Decker seconded. Motion Passed 2 in favor 1 opposed. NEW BUSINESS PLACED ON FILE (The following items have been placed on file for staff review. Upon completion of review, staff will submit a supplement detailing options and possible course action to committee members.) COMMUNICATIONS AND MISCELLANEOUS BUSINESS AS AUTHORIZED BY LAW ADJOURNMENT Alderperson Duelge made a motion to adjourn at 6:06 PM. Alderperson Madden seconded. Motion Passed unanimously. Respectfully Submitted, Wendy Fredlund Recording Secretary