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RLO19951025RULES, LAWS & ORDINANCE COMMITTEE - CITY OF MUSREGO MINUTES OF MEETING HELD WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 25, 1995 The meeting was called to order at 7:05 P.M. by Chairman Sanders. Also present were Committee Member Rasmussen, Mayor De Angelis and those per the attached list. Committee Member D'Acquisto was absent. The meeting was noticed on October 20, 1995, in accordance with the Open Meeting Law. The Committee discussed procedure for Voting on Boards and reviewed memorandum from City Clerk Jean Marenda advising that, after further research, the Chairman and/or President of a Board or Committee does have the right to vote, and does have the right to make motions, with the exceptions outlined in Chapter 2, Section 2.09(2)(3) of the Municipal Code of the City of Muskego, or by procedure established by a board or committee, or as an ex-officio officer. The Committee discussed voting order for Chairman. Unless the voting sequence is defined by the Committee, the Chairman should vote first, as outlined in Article X, 58, of Robert Rules of Order. • The Committee discussed jurisdiction and liability of snowmobiles on lakes, dry lake bed, hitting piers, etc. Mr. David Taube appeared before the Committee to advise that he had spoke with Mr. John Cook of the DNR concerning the issue. His findings indicate that the exposed lake bottom is under the control of the property owners using the extension of the property lines. If it is a road or trail extension, snowmobiles can move in the most direct route across the lake bottom to the ice line and then can proceed in any direction. Signs for "No Trespassing" can be posted, but only on the property above normal water line and not exposed lake bed. This information is included in Wisconsin State Statute 30.29, pg. 3h. Copy of the minutes should be forwarded to the Parks and Recreation Board. The Committee discussed investigation of Compost Pile. Chairman Sanders indicated that he had spoke with Building Inspection Director Chuck Dykstra as to status of original complaint and Mr. Dykstra indicated that he has not received significant complaints. The Committee took no action at this time. The Committee reviewed request for banning of Hunting on Little Muskego Lake. Chairman Sanders indicated that a complaint was received about shooting on Holz Island. The police were called, but arrived too late. The next day, the same shooting occurred and the police did locate the person. A citizen requested that • shooting on all of Little Muskego Lake be prohibited. Mr. Wil Vidal, Chairman of the Little Muskego Lake District, spoke to the complainant and agreed that there should not be hunting on Little Muskego Lake. Complainant had concerns about hunting with amount Rules, Laws & Ordinance Committee - Page 2 October 25, 1995 of population and is disturbed about shooting in early morning hours and on weekends. Mr. Vidal was not against duck hunting, but did not feel it was appropriate on Little Muskego Lake. Mr. Ery Hummer voiced concern about banning hunting in general. Steve Cook indicated that most hunting occurs on grass islands and is away from population and should not be a problem. Dean Gumieny was worried that the law would extend to other areas. Chairman Sanders indicated that there was no intent to ban hunting throughout Muskego. Mike Morack questioned what was meant by "appropriate". Muskego Lake has the same density as in the past. He indicated there were no problems with Holz Island and he was upset that Holz Island was declared a park and hunting was banned. If it is a noise issue, why not eliminate fireworks! He stated that the duck hunting season is a limited number of days and helps to move and control duck population on the lake. Mr. Morack expressed his desire for the City of Muskego to look into ways to improve hunting in the City rather than looking at any banning. Mr. Al Spitzner inquired if any research was done with DNR. Chairman Sanders indicated that the last time that the City conferred with the DNR, the DNR did not find a safety issue. Mr. Spitzner indicated that he would go on record supporting hunting. Jeff Coubal questioned if banning signs had been posted on Holz Drive? Mayor De Angelis indicated that he was unsure if the property had been posted as yet. Al Spitzner indicated that he felt a person buying property on the lake should be aware that • boats, jet skis and hunting might occur. Mayor De Angelis indicated that most people are aware of these problems. Population has turned over during the past few years, bringing new and different attitudes. At this point, it is a noise and not a safety issue. Mike Morack inquired about what can be done to improve hunting and expansion of hunting opportunities. Mayor De Angelis covered the installations of islands in Big Muskego Lake and the plans for habitat in Wind Lake. Mayor stated that he was not aware of any City land, that is not designated as Parkland, that could be used for hunting. The land north of Woods Road is being developed and potential for hunting is diminishing. Chairman Sanders indicated that a commitment was made by the City to fund portions of Big Muskego Lake developments which is intended to improve hunting. Mike Morack indicated that he thought that Holz Island should not be a problem. Chairman Sanders indicated that there were concerns on how to police boundaries if hunting was allowed on part of the Island. Mike Morack wanted to know if informational brochures could be sent out by the City to inform new citizens of hunting. Chairman Sanders asked Wil Vidal if information could be put in Lake District newsletter. Mike Morack stated that he would like the official record to reflect that he supported hunting on Little Muskego Lake. Chairman Sanders asked for a straw poll. The poll indicated 22 in favor of hunting and 1 against. Mike Morack • offered to distribute information from the City's ordinance to residents around Little Muskego Lake. Due to these reasons presented, and the fact that a safety issue is not apparent, the Committee did not take action at this time. Ald. Rasmussen moved Rules, Laws 6 Ordinance Committee - Page 3 October 25, 1995 f� to insure that Holz Island be properly posted to restrict hunting 300 ft. from the Island. Seconded by Ald. Sanders, motion carried 2-0. Citizens expressed concerns about how they could get 30 day notification of meetings that would further discuss this issue. Ald. Rasmussen indicated that he would be concerned about the mechanism and possible failures to notify that could occur with any system and explained that the City recently started using Channel 7, Public Access Channel, to list Committee meetings and agenda items. In addition, the City will publish a newsletter starting next year. Mayor De Angelis also noted that the constitutents should also contact their alderman if they want to be informed if a specific issue is being discussed. Chairman Sanders indicated that a tickler file could be put in the hunting file so people could be notified if the issue occurs again. Ald. Rasmussen moved to adjourn at 9:05 P.M. Seconded by Ald. Sanders, motion carried 2-0. Respectfully submitted, /ca • 0 Ald. Robert L. Rasmussen Secretary SIGN -IN SHEET FOR CITY MEETINGS PLEASE PRINT YOUR NAME AND AGENDA ITEM BELOW. THANK YOU. NAME C W / �� �. r [.Li�.mfAlI�/ ON f�7�� ,�t � J f 1 • SIGN -IN SHEET FOR CITY MEETINGS PLEASE PRINT YOUR NAME AND AGENDA ITEM BELOW. THANK YOU. Meetina: ez . / .,j.l. e,—� _ Date: l n 7 1 l_ 11 1 MA A-le-1 ITEM 'tjL �kn 1• 10 KII r