Park & Rec Board - MINUTES - 11/10/2008
City of Muskego
PARKS & RECREATION BOARD
Monday, November 10, 2008
Approved 1/12/09
Board President Whipple called the monthly meeting of the Parks and Recreation Board (Board), City of
Muskego, to order at 6:00 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Those present recited the Pledge of Allegiance.
The meeting notice was posted in accordance with the Open Meeting Law on Thursday, November 6, 2008.
Present: Mr. Gary Boisits, Mr. Eric Hetzel , Mr. Jerald Hulbert, Mr. Brett Hyde, Mrs. Kelly Koble,
Mr. Toby Whipple and Director Craig Anderson
Absent: Ald. Dan Pavelko (excused)
GUESTS: Larry Lefebvre, Ald. Borgman, Jim Poteraske, Kevin Pope, Dan Wendorf
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
October 13 Minutes
Mr. Brett Hyde moved to approve the minutes of the October 13, 2008 meeting, seconded by Mr. Eric
Hetzel. Upon a voice vote, the motion carried.
PERSONAL APPEARANCES:
Little Muskego Lake District Weed Tipping
Director Anderson went over the proposed agreement changes for the weed tipping agreement with the Little
Muskego Lake District. Larry Lefebvre presented his proposal for the next year. They need a spot in Park
Arthur for a limited amount of weed tipping. They will be using it now and then. In 2009, they expect it to be
less than 2008. They are leasing a new truck so they don’t anticipate breakdowns. One of the reasons they
had tipped at the Park Arthur site was the old trucks would break down. Mr. Hulbert inquired of their 1%
usage, how many truckloads. Larry Lefebvre stated that they had about 650 truckloads. Mr. Hulbert asked if
they were anticipating no more than 30 truckloads. Larry Lefebvre said if they had 20 truckloads tipping at Park
Arthur that would be a lot. Mr. Hulbert questioned if something could happen with their use of the gravel pit
that would cause them to use Park Arthur more. Larry Lefebvre could not foresee anything as the quarry is
gigantic and they should be okay for several years. They do continue to look for other sites. Director Anderson
asked if the acreage could be reduced from 2 to 1. He expected to meet with Dave Burch of Bonestroo to see
if the department needs any extra room in Park Arthur south. Larry Lefebvre indicated it should be okay. Mr.
Hulbert moved to approve the same plan as last year with a one percent time period in emergencies
and that the area be reduced from 2 acres to 1 acre and the weeds being turned at least once a year
with an annual review. Mr. Boisits seconded. Upon a voice vote, the motion carried unanimously.
Snowmobile Trail
Kevin Pope was present to request permission from the Board to establish snowmobile trails through the park
areas of Denoon Park and Lake Access #17. Director Anderson stated there were no problems from last
year’s usage. However, Tom Zagar was requesting that they place the trail in Denoon Park following the fence
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and tree line. He would like them to come straight through the prairie area. Mr. Pope shared that they had
established the trail as the landowner was complaining they were running the trail too close to his driveway.
Mr. Pope said they will relocate their trail to comply with Mr. Zagar’s request, taking into consideration the
landowner’s concerns on the noise and the traffic crossing his driveway. He asked if there was a concern if
they would brush out some of the area. Director Anderson recommended he contact Tom Zagar. Mrs. Koble
moved to approve the request the same as last year with the modification of the trail through Denoon
Park. Mr. Hyde seconded. Upon a voice vote, the motion carried unanimously.
Restoration of Lands on Southern Portion of Moorland Park
Director Anderson presented Tom Zagar’s request to allow approximately 16.5 acres of lands in the southern
portion of Moorland Park to be restored to natural vegetation and hydrology. He wants to turn it back into
prairie. The land is either within the 100-year floodplain, contains wetland or is being utilized for the storm
water retention pond. Director Anderson said the department doesn’t use it for any active-use land. There is
also a lot of geese in the area. The plan would reduce mowing cost while providing for a more aesthetically
pleasing look. It would also enhance any trails that the department puts through the park. The cost for this
plan would all be funded from conservation funds and would probably start seeding in 2010. Mr. Jerald
Hulbert moved to approve the plan for restoration of the lands. Mr. Eric Hetzel seconded. It’s a great
idea. Upon a voice vote, the motion carried unanimously.
(Mr. Dan Wendorf arrived and voiced his concerns about the weed tipping at Park Arthur. This year wasn’t bad
because the summer was cooler than the previous year. Director Anderson shared what had transpired earlier
in the meeting on the weed tipping. Mr. Boisits added that they would only be using it for 1% of the time as
99% they are tipping at the quarry. Director Anderson offered to have him call the office if he had more
concerns and the department would get in touch with the district.)
Muskego Historical Society 2008 Update
Mr. Hulbert presented the annual report on the Muskego Historical Society. A number of projects completed
were in the building maintenance. One of the major face lifts was the residing of the machinery shed with the
work being done as an Eagle Scout project. Some other buildings have been spruced up and painted. They
redid new drywall in the basement of the Old Town Hall and they are looking at putting in wainscoting to
protect the walls. On another positive note, they have some new members. One of the new members with
their family put together the craft fair which brought a lot of people from outside the community. They have
approximately 240 people on the membership list but many are lifetime members and aldermen, but through
the craft fair and other activities, they have brought in the new members for the society and the tractor club.
Their funds are around $50,000, but $29,000 has been set aside as a foundation fund that cannot be touched.
A elderly lady member had her heart set on the society putting up a general store and had contributed dollars
for it. While it is on the master plan, it hasn’t happened because of staff and resources and now the family
attorney has advised the family wants the money returned. The ghost walk, a joint venture with the Muskego
Players, which was for two nights has recently been completed. Buy Seasons, a costume company, donated
costumes and other materials for the event. They had about a couple hundred in attendance. The next event
coming up is the Country Christmas. They have planned for Santa to come in a sleigh and if no snow, then
he’ll come in a rubber-tire wagon drawn by horses. This event is in conjunction with the Chamber of
Commerce. Some of the buildings will be open for this event. The intent is for the community to access some
of the buildings that the general public owns. Another project was the relocation of the totem pole up to the log
cabin trading post. They did threshing during the festival and had some tractors on display. A new member,
Laura Mishefske, is working on putting together history of Muskego as well as successfully getting the web site
updated. The Herdas are doing curating and fund-raising. They are working at finding a way to display the
dugout canoe which currently resides in the barn. They have made an agreement with the Common Council
on the old barn with members only being allowed to access it and the appropriate signage is in place. The barn
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will continue to be used for storage. He concluded, with what can be expected with the Country Christmas
event. A recent donation of pictures from the Denoon Saloon was received; large pictures of 1950 aerial view
of Dandelion Park, 1930 or 1940 picture of Denoon Saloon, 1940 view of Pioneer Drive. The single best thing
is the new members that are excited and active.
WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE:
Parks Vandalism
Director Anderson reported there was graffiti on the playground at Denoon Park and a couple of broken split
rails which were replaced. At Bluhm, the men’s room door sign was ripped off. Mr. Hulbert shared that during
the festival, the door to the Heinrich cabin was kicked open.
Park Arthur Field Stones
Board members reviewed the email communication on the field stones being removed from Park Arthur along
College Avenue. Someone went in with a small end loader and removed the stones. A gentleman had
approached Karl Thiesenhusen who advised him that the land was city land and could not give him permission
to remove the rocks. A few weeks later he observed the man removing the rocks and the man indicated to
Karl that he had permission. The only identification was the man was driving a S & W Farms truck. The police
were advised and extra patrols are being done in the area.
NEW BUSINESS: None
UNFINISHED BUSINESS:
2009 Baseball Prepping Fees
Director Anderson was contacted by Jim Prusinski who wanted to set up a meeting to discuss what would be
available to them for prepping the fields. He explained to Jim Prusinski that they wanted to get the groups
together to discuss what’s available. Mr. Prusinski will contact Ed Horwath of the M.A.A. and he’ll get back to
Director Anderson. In January, the department will have to decide what to do. There is some areas where
they can store equipment and also a tractor that could be let out to the groups. Mr. Hulbert voiced his concern
about letting the groups use capital equipment. Director Anderson said the groups will be responsible for the
equipment from string lines, templates, to chalkers, to rakes and replacement of any that is returned damaged.
Mr. Boisits suggested a bond be considered for the equipment.
Soccer Field Use Policy Review
Director Anderson stated that all the changes had been made to the policy as directed by the Board members.
With the understanding that changes could be made in the future, Mr. Hulbert moved to approve the soccer
field usage policy. Mr. Boisits seconded. Upon a voice vote, the motion carried with Board President
Whipple abstaining.
ALDERMAN’S REPORT:
None
STATUS OF PROJECTS:
Highway 36 Trail
WDNR went through their internal review and they are requesting two things before awarding the grant. They
are requesting a floodplain analysis for the canal because the original floodplain study did not have the
abutments in it. The abutments are close to 100 years old so the department needs to come up with a study of
what it was before the abutments and what it is with the existing abutments even though the bridge is going up
over the 100-year floodplain. The city engineer is working with FEMA to figure how to do it. It’s an added cost
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to the city so Director Anderson emailed the WDNR that it would be an added cost to the project and would
they fund it. The other item is the WDNR thinks that a Chapter 30 permit needs to be done because they think
the department has to excavate dirt to put in the existing abutments. He did not feel that the department should
have to do this as the abutments are existing and has a message into the WDNR person.
Moorland Park/InPro Skate Park
Staff met with the contractor regarding the grass growth and the prairie. The contractor assured them that the
grass growth would be ready for next fall. There is a two-year warranty on it once it is accepted. The
department expects an 80% take of grass. The grass is coming in better than it was. The contractor didn’t take
out the stones yet. The contractor was coming back to remove them. Tom Zagar could not find any prairie
grass in the area they had planted first. The area was planted before the rains in June and Tom Zagar did
state that there should be some growth but he’ll give it until middle of next spring and if he doesn’t see
anything, they will have to replant the prairie. Board President Whipple summed up that they would then look
at the fields being played on in the fall of 2009.
DIRECTOR’S REPORT:
Winter/Spring Program Guide
The program guide will go out in November. It was sent today to the printer.
Dog Park
Staff met with the one individual that was at the Board meeting in the spring. She wanted to use the area out at
Denoon Park, the straight stretch off of Kelsey by the split-rail fence where the Icetronauts have their trail.
Also, where the department allows golfing. She was advised that the department would not have funding for
the dog park and fund-raising would need to be done. She would have to pay for paving a parking lot, fencing,
cooperation of landowners, etc. She wondered if they could use the parking lot down by the launch. Director
Anderson informed her that there was not enough for car parking and besides, there are two conflicting user
groups with the playground and the dog owners. There is too much activity for this to be a viable area. She
then asked about Kurth Park’s southern area. Director Anderson recommended that she contact the county to
see if they have an area at the Muskego County Park that can be used since the dog park at Minooka Park in
Waukesha was successful.
Operating Budget
2009 budget is set to be approved. Two park staff positions will be removed, the Maintenance Person I and
Maintenance Person III. Last week, they preliminary threw it out for discussion to eliminate the Parks
Supervisor also. They would give the Conservation Coordinator to the parks department. That did not carry
weight with the other alderman and at the public hearing, it was not a part of the budget. He was told that it
was not going to be brought up as part of the approval on Tuesday. It stands that the department will lose
staff, receive $25,000 in the operating budget to use for outsourcing and seasonal staffing. Discussions have
occurred with DPW and Utilities and they will free up a person to help the department with snow removal. They
will also help with maintenance of the fleet and equipment.
Mr. Hulbert inquired if the department was still going to do maintenance on the baseball fields. Director
Anderson said the department will be opening up and releasing the fields in the beginning of the year. Games
are on the field almost everyday so they will be dragged and lined by the people using them. The department
will be closing them at the end of the season. Mill Valley fields will be done by the department on Wednesday
for the men’s league and Thursday for the women’s league. There will be a plan in place whereby the
department monitors the fields and how they are maintained by the groups. Manuals will be prepared for the
groups and training sessions for them. They all will have to be trained before they start game prepping on the
fields.
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OTHER BUSINESS
Subdivision Plans—Continued Driveway Access on Lake Access #12 (extension of Park Drive)
Mr. Mortle, who resides at W176S7408 Lake Drive is planning to tear down the existing home and garage and
replace with a new home with an attached garage, would like to continue to use the lake access to access his
garage. If new construction is going to occur, this would provide the opportunity to connect to Lake Drive as all
of the other homes do in the area. Director Anderson pointed out on the map the boundaries of the lake
access and the location of the Mortle property. Plan staff was advising against approving this request. In this
case, the only reason that lake access was used was the existing house was there. The recommendation of
the Plan staff is to have them make their access off of Lake Drive when they rebuild. Mr. James Poteraske
said what they were trying to achieve with the access off of Lake Drive was create some additional storage
area to address some of the Plan staff concerns about parking of vehicles, etc. They were trying to alleviate
having a four-five car garage, leaving very little green space on the property. Director Anderson voiced his
concern relative to calls received from people questioning if it was a lake access as they have observed cars
parked on that road end. This leaves a narrow path and department staff have had to walk in from Lake Drive
between his vehicles and the fence to get down to the lake access. It does somewhat limit the lake access. Mr.
Hulbert felt they should go with the recommendation of the Plan staff. He did not want a precedent to be set
as there are 18 other accesses. (Mr. Hulbert’s motion to go along with the Plan staff recommendation that if
they do a new construction the access would have to be off of Lake Drive did not receive a second.) Mrs.
Koble questioned where the entrance to the existing house was located. Director Anderson said that access to
the house can be on the walkway and through the garage. To access their property at this time, they have to
go on the road end to access the garage. Board President Whipple summarized that if they went with the new
construction, they would no longer have access off the road end, it would have to be off of Lake Drive. Mr.
Hyde’s biggest concern was that it would set precedent. Mrs. Koble’s concern was that it is public access land
and there was a note in the documents about liability and maintenance of the lake access site. Mrs. Koble
moved to follow the Plan staff recommendation on the Mortle property. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Mrs.
Koble stated if they don’t do the construction, then at this point, the access stays the same. Upon a voice
vote the motion carried unanimously.
COMMUNICATIONS AND MISCELLANEOUS BUSINESS AS AUTHORIZED BY LAW:
Director Anderson shared that he will be the advisor for girl scouts on projects at the Old Settlement Centre.
They will be coming forward at the January meeting and make their presentations.
Board members were advised that the department may dispense with the December meeting.
ADJOURNMENT - There being no further business, Mr. Hyde moved for adjournment at 7:15 p.m. Seconded
by Mr. Hulbert. Upon a voice vote, the motion carried.
Stella Dunahee, CPS
Recording Secretary
pc: Board Members, Craig Anderson
email: Mayor, Alderpersons, Department Heads, Peter Theis, Tammy Dunn,