ccm19711019MINUTES OF JOINTMEETING BETWEEN COMMON COUNCIL AND PLAN COMMISSION HELD
AT TRE CITY BALL ON OCTOBER 19, 1971, FOR TRE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING DR.
MANGIAMELE"S ALTERNATE "B" PLAN FOR FATE OF GROWTH DEVEMPMENT IN THE CITY OF
MUSKEGO.
Mayor Gottfried called the informal meeting to order at 7~46 P.M. All Alder-
men and Plan Commission members were present except Commissioners Bertram a and Barry.
Dr. Mangiamele reviewed all of the points in his Alternate "B" Plan for
a method by which to permit a rate of growth which the temporary sewage
treatment facilities can absorb.
Considerable discussion followed Dr. Mangiamele's review, some of which, in
part, is as follows:
Mr. Chase stated that there is some merit to this proposal over Mayor
Gottfried's proposal. More thought has been put into it. If those outside t
the sewer district want to gamble, let them. This puts the responsibility
on the developer and it determines how serious he is in his intentions.
They are all starting out at the same time. It seems to be a reasonable
period of time to start a house in 30 days. I would like to see the developer
build his 180 houses in an allotted time.
Mr. Foldy questioned whether or not this would mean that every development
a would have a planned development overlay and Dr. Mangiamele answered that
it would come under the requirements of the planned development.
In answer to a question from Ald. Foldy as to whether or not this would be
legal, Dr. Mangiamele stated that in his opinion that if the Common Council
passed this resolution, this would be a modification of zoning requirements.
The City Attorney would have to give a legal opinion.
Aid. Burgermeister stated that we have some developments in this city that
are fairly new. We have not put restrictions on these people. We're trying
to help them. We give them sewers, police protection and all city services.
Now here come some new developments and we are saying, "no, we don't want
you". Future developers will be the future taxpayers of tomorrow.
Ald. Narlock, in referring to Aldernate "B" indicated that it proposes so
many restrPctions that it will be impossible for a developer to develop. He
would like to see this referred to the City Attorney. Many of the proposals
are not constitutional and they cannot be implemented.
a-* Rsimann stated, why can't we get quality development, why not go to
high grade development?
Ald. Narlock stated that we have a Constitution that provides equal rights
for all people. You are saying if you can't afford a $35,000 home you can't
live in Muskego.
Dr. Mangiamele stated that certain communities require 5-acre lots on which
to build a home. Obviously, you can't build a house on five acres for
$35,000.00. Mr. Chase stated that a $35,000.00 home will only support one
student in our schools,
Ald. DeBack indicated that according to a survey taken by SEWRPC, out of 28
cities, three of them had a lot fee from $50 to $200 and out of 53 villages,
one had a lot fee of $200 and 65 towns had a lot fee of $200.
Ald. Foldy stated that the average value of a home in Brookfield is $35,000
to $40,000. School Taxes would be much higher in New Berlin if there was no
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ndustry to offset it. We are drawing all of ours off of residential.
Ald. Narlock stated that increased growth has made a contribution to high
value of property in Brookfield. The reason we don't have higher values is
because we have grown so much slower.
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Mr. Chase spoke in favor of Alternate "B". We would come up with a good frame.
work if we would start item by item to decide what we want. Alternate "B"
has a good basis - he felt there is enough in here to work out something.
Mr. Basse stated that, I think we are really getting involved - nobody can
l figure out what we are doing - the only solution is to review it annually or
semi-annually and see where we are.
Ald. Burgermeister spoke in favor of Mayor Gottfried's proposal - he thought
we have a good basis to work on.
Ald. DeBack questioned Dr. Mangiamele as to whether or not it would be possible
to work on building permits along with the 65%.
Mayor Gottfried stated that if it is a planned development and not acted
upon within 6 to 9 months it must be reinstituted or re-evaluated by the
Council of Plan Commission - in normal subdividing they are not go&ng to put
up that kind of money to be tied up and just sit there - under my proposal
at least for the next two or three y,ears they can depend on 65% of that
property being developed.
Ald. DeBack said that he could not agree - he knows of a lot of people who
buy lots for the purpose of not building right away. They might buy these
lots for holding - that would be included in our 65%.
Ald. Foldy stated that he had talked to a lending institution - it is their
@opinion that if there are several developments they will not grow at the
same rate. I like the idea of building permits - you can see the affect on
capacity. The NE treatment plant can be added onto rather inexpensively
subject to approval of the DWR and Metropolitan - we are all concerned how
this thing will go. I would like to see something open up and see what
affect it would have on the treatment plant and have a periodic review to
see where we are going. I go along with the building permits.
Ald. Sapp indicated that she,did not think anything could be solved at
this meeting. I think perhaps what should come out of this meeting is a
committee to iron these things out.
Ald. DeBack stated that actually it is the Plan Comnission's responsibility
to recommend to the Common Council. At that time the Council can approve
or disapprove or they can make changes.
Mayor Gottfried stated that we not have several proposed subdivisions before
. I have heard people say, Mayor Gottfried, we have got to get something
zIing.The type of things <that are being proposed by Dr. Mangiamele are going
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to take many months, changes in the Subdivision Control Ordinance and action
by the Plan Commission, the Rules, Laws & Ordinance Committee and the Council
itself. In the meantime, many of these proposals and people are waiting
for some type of decision. I would like to suggest that when we met three
weeks ago it was the feeling that whatever comes up is not going to be the
perfect answer. However, it would give us the opportunity to say to several
developers, if you live within these areas you can develop, or, you could
say to the landowner, you have a large assessment, yes, we are going to let
you develop some of your land and you can say to the developer, at least at
this time you know how far you can go. In two years we may be able to open
it up further. At least you can get started. Gn this basis we don't have
to worry about overuse of the lagoons. We should start telling those people
immediately that have a possibility of developing to go ahead. We have room
for approximately 750 children before another school building needs to be
built. School costs to this coaxnunity are the major part of our taxes.
What Dr. Mangiamele said imposes extreme restrictions. He further indicated
that the logical route to take at this point would be to permit 65% of the
development. I would hope when the Plan Commission meets this evening
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they will give some indication to the developers of what portion they could
evelop. At the end of two years the situation will be re-evaluated.
The meeting ended at 8:46 P.M.
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