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ccm19710927MINUTES OF JOINT MEETING OF THE CITY OF MUSKEGG PLAN COMMISSION AND COMMON COUNCIL HELD ON SEPTEMBER 27, 1971. The meeting began at 8:40 P.M. Present were Mayor Gottfried, Aldermen Burgermeister, DeBack, Dumke, Foldy, Narlock, Sapp and Schaumberg and Plan Commission Members Basse, Chase, Barry and Bertram. Commissioner Rainan was absent. Purpose of the meeting to try to aid the Common Council and Plan Commission in making a determination for the handling of requests of developers. Mayor Gottfried stated that the city has a moral obligation to provide sewers to those people who have been assessed or are paying that assessment. This, he indicated, must be considered as a major priority. He stated that we must do everything in our power so that we will not be charged with the pollution of Big Muskego Lake or the Root River Watershed. Also, the problem of the school population and what it does to the tax base should be considered. Because of figures received from Ruekert & Mielke in Dr. Mangiamele's Growth Study, he stated that we have committed ourselves to a certain amount of development. Mayor Gottfried indicated that in checking the school census it was revealed that the number of children 'is school is fewer than had been anticipated. In his presentatibn he ‘therefore used 3.5 persons per household rather than 4, therefore changing the gallon consumption per person to 350 gallons instead of 400 giving the available daily capacity for the northeast sewer system as 195,000 gallons. Using 1 the figure 3.5, or 350,000 gal. per day and by dividing this into 195,000 gallons, this could provide for 560 additional units and could be handled by the treatment plant. There are 694 acres of open land which could possibly be served by the treatment'plant in the northeast district. He cited the areas which could possibly not be developed such as the Mahn property (90) acres where the Belt Freeway would cut through the middle of the farm, the Schaefer property (85 acres) which is in a different watershed, etc. From all of his calculations, he indicated that it would appear that we could permit 65% of each proposed development until metropolitan sewers are available, or the treatment plant were expanded or that a history of the plant showed that the estimated capacity was under- estimated. In his analysis, Mayor Gottfried stated that he did not include proposed development along McShane Road. He indicated that the Plan Commission and Council would have to determine whether or not they would be willing to exchange development on McShane Road instead of north of Woods Road. His proposal recommended that there be no 3-bedroom multiple units, that single family developments of over 80 would be required to be phased over a 3-year period, the valuation of single family homes be at least $25,000.00 and that the valuation of multiple units be in excess of $17,000.00. Also, that no rezoning of less than RS-2 be considered. In the northwest district Mayor Gottfried stated there is a maximum capacity of 750,000 gallon, per day at the present treatment plant. -~.~ - We have 1,074 existing residences and 2,074 students. Also a nursing home with 43 beds. In this district there are 300 vacant lots and if Hillendale and Hi-Y Ranches are considered there is a total of 113 lots in these two subdivision. Therefore, with existing homes and commitments we have 314,900 gallons per day available for development. He further stated that the schools are 75% filled and the high school is 90% filled and on that basis there is some room for development as it would be a few years before we would have to ask the people to build a new school building. Jt. Meeting Page 2. As in the northeast district, by using the ratio of l/3 multiple and 213 single family would mean that we could develop 600 single family units and 350 multiples northwest district. Ald. Burgermeister stated that we moved to this area to get away from over-population. He indicated that it was his feeling that by limiting development we would be denying someone else the same right that we _ are enjoying. At this point in the meeting Ald. DeBack read a prepared statement which indicated opposition to the proposed curtailment of development in the city. One of the developers present at the meeting stated that he did not think it fair that any landowner should have to pay any expenses for the adding on to the sewer plant. Ald. Foldy stated that we must make a decision on how fast we want to grow. (He cited "feeding the multitude with 7 loaves and 5 fishes".) Mr. Chase stated he did not understand how we could sit here and make a decision when we don't know the capabilities of the sewerage treatment plant when it isn't even built as yet. Mayor Gottfried stated that by chlorination and phosphate removal the efficiency of the lagoon we had to guarantee a purity in excess of 95%. Ald. Narlock questioned why Metropolitan sewers are going to New Berlin instead of Muskego when originally it was planned to come to Muskego first. Mayor Gottfried stated that it was his understanding that metropolitan must go north to pick up Menomonee Falls who is having some major problems and also western Milwaukee County (Hales Corners) before they come to Muskego. He stated that we were told that the line coming to New Berlin is a different line than is going to take care of Franklin and it is going to be five or seven years before they get to Muskego unless they get additional funds from the Federal Government. Ald. Foldy questioned whether or not there would be any reason to believe that expansion of the treatment plant would not be approved based on future growth. Ald. DeBack questioned whether it was good planning to develop 65% of the land and what do you do with the rest of the land? Ald. Foldy stated that we did get many requests for deferment -- maybe we could work out some arrangement with these people. Ald. DeBack indicated that according to the City Attorney we cannot restrict development on farm land over a number of years. 'Commissioner Basse indicated that it is his hope to come up with a solution that is fair to everybody - those who have lands to develop should have a share and that it should be a quality project. Ald. Foldy questioned the developers and landowners what they thought of the Mayor's proposal of l/3 multiple, 2/3 single family and to allow 65% of the development. Mr. Jack L. BaBonte, a developer, indicated that he felt 65% would not be economically feasible - he thought you would have to develop the entire parcel at one time. Ald. Burgermeister question Mr. Bonte, based on a 5-year period - do you feel that your development would materialize within 5 years and if he thought it would be 100% sold and lived in? Mr. La Bonte answered that if the economic conditions continue they way they are, he would say, yes. Mayor Gottfried what you do, the 0 and on that basis is no other alternative. In answer to a question that the Dept. of and that the city not impose over use Dr. Mangiamele stated Joint Meeting Page 4. Ald. DeBack stated that everyone seems to be basing their assumption on the fact that when the pond is filled that you can't add on - yet you add on more telephone lines and more electric lines when they are filled. l , gay Wallner, developer, indicated that when the plant in the northeast district was planned it was planned to include all of the land in the district. Walter Wollman, former alderman, stated that at first the State did not want to have us build the plant at all -- then they decided that a temporary plant would be better than leaving sewage flow into the Tess Corners Creek - he indicated that it will have to be proven that this plant is safe and in good operation before putting an addition on. Ald. DeBack said, certainly we can't talk about adding on to the plant tonight, however, we should think about adding on in five years. Mayor Gottfried indicated that the Plan Commission, as well as the developers and landowners must know in what direction they can go - that is why I am suggesting this proposal, at least until we know the effectiveness of the system and can study the possibility of adding on l or until metropolitan sewers are available. UNOFFICIAL MOTION In order to see how the Aldermen and Commissioners felt about Mayor Gottfried's percentage development proposal, Ald. Sapp moved to impose a 65% development restriction period of five years with the understanding that we will re-evaluate at the end of a two-year period. Seconded by Ald. Foldy. Upon an informal voice poll, Aldermen Sapp, Narlock, Dumke, Schaumberg, Foldy, and Commissioners Basse, Bertram and Barry voted "aye". Aldermen DeBack and Burgermeister voted "nay". Commissioner Chase refrained from voting. In answer to a question from Ald. Narlock as to whether or not we face the same problem in the northwest district as we do in the northeast district about expanding the lagoon, Mayor Gottfried indicated that we are limited to space. To expand the present lagoon system we would have to put in another treatment pond and additional lands would have to be leased from Mr. Vesbach, however, this could be done. The major problem would be to convince the government agencies that an expenditure of additional monies to develop open land was a realistic and worthwhile cause. In answer to a question by Mayor Gottfried as to whether or not the city should be concerned with the sewering of Hillendale Heights and Hi-Y Ranches, Ald. Burgermeister indicated that they should be included and Ald. Narlock stated that because these areas are polluting the area every day with terrible odors, that we have no choice but to sewer these subdivision. In answer to an earlier comment from Mr. Olson developer for the George Schaefer property, regarding Parkland Plaza being the one allowed to develop, Mayor Gottfried reminded everyone that Parkland Plaza was proposed in 1964 and in 1968,in his absence the project the reapproved and also the density increased. The agreement with Parkland Plaza was approved by the Council. The development is here and there is nothing we can do about it. If we knew what we know now we would be considering the same limitations. Joint Meeting Page 5. Mayor Gottfried further stated that it is his hope to do something with the city's industrial park and that we are going to have to hold at least 25,000 gallons per day day of the sewer's capacity for it. He again reminded the aldermen of the 300 vacant lots in the northwest district and the possible development of the Schaefer property and Relocation Realty's development. It would appear that we should investigate just how the treatment plant is doing and if we.could enlarge it. Ald. Sapp suggested that the Sewer Committee meet with Mr. Mielke of Ruekert & Mielke and come back with some suggestions on how the capacity of the present lagoons could be increased. Mayor Gottfried advised that a meeting would be arranged. The meeting ended at 11:25 P.M.