PRB060997minutesMINUTES
PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, CITY OF MUSKEGO
MONDAY, JUNE 9, 1997
The monthly meeting of the Parks and Recreation Board, City of
Muskego, was called to order at 6:00 p.m. by Chairperson Jerald Hulbert.
PRESENT: Jerald Hulbert, Richard Manchester, Howard
Schneider, Alderman Mark Slocomb, Ron Stephens (arrived at 7:20 p.m.), Peter Theis (Parks Director)
ABSENT: Debbie Carlson, Toby Whipple (excused)
Note: Gordon L. Jacobson (Recreation Director) was
on leave.
GUESTS: List attached.
Notice of the meeting was posted on June 5 in accordance with
the Open Meeting Law.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
a A motion was made by Howard Schneider to approve the minutes Of the Board meeting held on Monday, May 15, 1997, as mailed.
Richard Manchester seconded. Motion carried unanimously.
A motion was made by Richard Manchester to approve the minutes
of the sub-committee Board meeting held on Thursday, May 29,
1997 as corrected. Howard Schneider seconded. Motion carried
unanimously. The correction made indicating sub-committee
member as Ron Stevens, not Ron Peters.
PERSONAL APPEARANCES:
Priority Watershed Program
Mark Paulat presented a handout on the history and funding Of
program. Non-point programs highlighted as future problems.
Further involvement by other city departments encouraged.
Staff requirements need to be realized. The D.N.R. (Wisconsin
Department of Natural Resources) funds were explained and detailed. Land conservation department on county level input
should be utilized. In-house versus privitization was
discussed regarding various projects. Denoon Park vandalism
brought up as a concern to target. Park lies outside the
watershed project boundaries. No lake district involved at
this time. Chairman Hulbert questioned why city involvement without control of farmland runoff surrounding the park. Storm water issues need to be addressed. Park modifications will not
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solve problems solely. Mark Paulat suggested including this position in the Parks Department budget in 1998. Projects, however, are not just limited to Park Department issues. The funds for this project are on a timeline and will run out if not used; Howard Schneider pointed this out as a concern of his. Richard Manchester questioned if an environmental study was done by school district since they are interested in
property out at Denoon. Concerned with storm water management of a developed school site. Chairman Hulbert pointed out bare ground will be stabilized by school board. Past development
proposals discussed and sewer issues talked about. Public relations/education portion of the program's position should be
encouraged. Needs were elaborated, equipment purchases suggested, many shortfalls were described. City appears to rank high in Mark Paulat's opinion for state-wide funding
priority. Howard Schneider stated a need to fill Mark Paulat's
position as a very high priority for the City to pursue.
Launching revenues discussed as a funding potential. Lake management issues discussed. Committee looking at those issues
should be highly regarded. The Board were in receipt of a memo from Mark Paulat, dated May 9, 1997 and budget report for the
Big Muskego Lake Access which will be filed in the minute
book. The Board made no comments on this information.
Idle Isle channel fishinq
Chairman Hulbert read, for the record, the correspondence received from Mr. Chris Metcalf, dated May 21, 1997. Others in the audience were in agreement with the opinions expressed in
the letter. Problems with park users' behavior brought to the
Board's attention. Alderman Slocomb asked for a proposal. Audience responded all the way back to a position where they
were last year, approximately 150 feet-200 feet from the D.N.R. fishing pier. Chairman Hulbert stated public access as being a
very high priority. Denying access on public property
questioned. Challenged residents not to fish on channel on
their private property. Fishing lines appear to be the main
problem. Audience very vocal about not giving up their right
not to fish. Park users' language and behavior again pointed
out as a big problem. Public rights defended by Chairman
Hulbert. Howard Schneider's input was that the channel should be regulated. Police enforcement has been questioned and aldermanic input sought. Notification of signage removal in
the audience opinion was not properly done. On channel fishing issues, audience opinion was okay if (1) live on channel, (2) own a boat, not okay if (1) you're in the park.
Howard Schneider made motion to move siqnaqe back to where the channels converqe. Richard Manchester seconded. Alderman Slocomb asked for clarification. Discussion followed. Richard Manchester gave some historical background. "No fishing" by anybody again brought out. Motion carried with Richard Manchester, Howard Schneider, Alderman Slocomb votinq in favor and Chairman Hulbert voting against.
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Concession Stand proposal
Representatives from the Little Muskego Lake Association and the Water Bugs Ski Club provided the Board members with their
written request for grass parking during their festivities at Idle Isle Park on Thursday, July 3 or on the rain date of Wednesday, July 9, and the use of the concession stand. They jointly agree to repair any damage caused to the grassy areas of the park while used for parking related to their event. In
the event damage is caused, they will repair and bring the damaged area back to the condition it was immediately prior to
the event within 30 days after the event. Further, in regard
to the usage of the concession stand, the lake association will
accept costs associated with electrical usage for their event,
will accept responsibility for any damage caused to the
facility while under their use, and will clean up the facility
immediately after the event and the following morning.
The Board were in receipt of the Little Muskego Lake Association and Water Bug's Ski Team's proposal to operate the
Idle Isle Park concession stand. They proposed "the concession
stand would be open as soon as possible on Mondays thru
Wednesdays from 6:30 p.m. until 8:30 p.m., and the following Saturdays from 8:00 a.m. until noon: June 14, June 21, August
9, August 16 and August 23." Only soda in cans, bottled water,
bottled juice and pre-packaged foods would be served at the
concession stand. As soon as an approved volunteer list from the two organizations can be finalized, they would try to
increase the hours of operations from 10 hours per week to 25
hours per week.
At this point, a matter of agenda procedure was questioned by
Richard Manchester. Chairman Hulbert ruled as "chair" to the
validity of the order of the agenda.
Vending machines issues were discussed.
Motion made by Richard Manchester, seconded by Alderman Slocomb
to approve the requests for Idle Isle Park for festivities and
concession stand by the Little Muskeqo Lake Association and the
Water Buqs Ski Club as outlined in their proposals. Sunday
hours discussed and parking privileges discussed. Key to be
issued to Doug Aird. Motion carried by all.
Muskeqo Community Festival
Kathy Chiaverotti was introduced as a committee member. Jack
Spoerl provided the Board members with a handout on the
community festival and briefly gave a summary of the Muskego Community Festival. Jack Spoerl highlighted request for
additional electrical line to be put into the ground and a pedestal to meet code requirements by the Leisure Park area.
Alderman Slocomb questioned code compliance of the
installation. Another addition highlighted was televisions for
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sporting events that weekend (Packer evening game, Badgers, Brewers, etc.) all on a temporary system in beverage (beer) tent. The daily schedule was reviewed, noting the lo-year anniversary showcased by a Friday and Saturday night laser light show lasting approximately 30 minutes. Bands and
entertainment will be provided to attract all age groups. Site
plan remains relatively unchanged. Some areas to accommodate children/family-orientated programs expanded. Richard
Manchester questioned any safety concerns with the laser show.
Ron Stephens asked about additional path lighting and expanding to what was added last year. The historical society plans for
updating the lights was discussed. Ron Stephens motioned,
Richard Manchester seconded to approve the aqenda and site plan
for the Muskego Community Festival as submitted. No further
discussion. Motion carried, all in favor.
WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE:
Basketball/4&square/hopscotch lines at parks
The Board members reviewed Irene Schuder's request for lines for playground activity at the parks. Requests that were
reviewed were (1) Lions Park--lines on playground extension of
basketball court, (2) Jensen--lines on non-traffic zone area fronting the building, (3) Bluhm--lines on traffic
zone/basketball court were questioned, (4) Kurth--future park
design considered, (5) Horn--lines on traffic area/parking
lot. The application of the painting process was described by
Pete. Richard Manchester suggested the use of chalk. Traffic
areas need to be rethought. Bluhm turnaround lane questioned.
Richard Manchester moved to accept the request for paintinq
athletic lines at the parks with the Board's modification that no permanent lines be painted in Bluhm's turnaround lane and
move the lines down the walkinq path to the west. Alderman
Mark Slocomb seconded. Discussion. Ron Stephens questioned
the paint procedure. Traffic paint and spraying suggested by
Pete; Motion carried, all in favor.
OLD BUSINESS:
Vendinq machine contracts
Chairman Hulbert updated the Board and noted the changes that
have taken place in the parks system since the start of the
summer referencing the Land O'Lakes Impact and Water Bug
arrangements. Scoreboard issue was raised along with vending machine lease agreements. Alderman Slocomb commented on the
city's inexperience in these matters and cautioned getting involved. Richard Manchester questioned contract arrangements.
Chairman Hulbert tried best to answer the questions. Legal questions were also brought up. The Board discussed the current condition of the scoreboard. It was noted that operator error, age, technical obsoleteness all contribute to
its condition. The school's contribution should maybe get
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solicited. Ron Stephens suggested Coke or Pepsi proposals
should be shied away from but, if they want, to allow them to enter a park setting of their choice. Ron Stephens moved to
reject the vendinq machine proposals from Coke and Pepsi.
Howard Schneider seconded. Richard Manchester questioned what
other options had been explored. Exterior outlet requirements
questioned and installation expense discussed. Motion carried,
all in favor of denyinq the proposals.
DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
RECREATION
There was no report as the Recreation Director was on leave.
PARKS
Kurth Park conceptual plan
Chairman Hulbert referred to the sub-committee meeting of May
29, 1997. Parks Director Theis issued a handout on a summary of changes. Overlays were examined and compared and
contrasted. Chairman Hulbert explained the changes. The
following comments were made by the Board members on the plan:
Alderman Slocomb questioned the emergency/service access drive.
One U-10 field to be included on southern end's managed turf area was noted. Alderman Slocomb questioned where the
intensity has gone. Chairman Hulbert explained the city's
needs and recreational changes over the years. Richard
Manchester questioned need for portable toilets on park's south
end. Howard Schneider commented favorably on the high-ticket
expenditures for shelters and comfort station being gone.
Richard Manchester still wants to sell. Chairman Hulbert
opened up the meeting to the audience for their comments as
follows: Susan Lewis questioned fencing, berming or screening
on east and west sides of south parking lot; floodplain
regulations again questioned; traffic patterns questioned;
storm water management plan questioned. Chairman Hulbert
addressed the storm water management inquiry according to Mark
Paulat's input. Mike Perry of Hidden Creek Court addressed
trespassing issues, wants more fencing. Fencing restrictions
were talked about regarding heights and setbacks. Katie Kuehn
expressed her concerns on the parking lot issue and the
floodplain. Access addressed in regards to road elevation and
Woods Road traffic speed limits. Chairman Hulbert pointed out
that engineers will need to get involved. An Unidentified
Party asked if the bike path off of Hidden Creek would continue
into the park, the cost estimate and budget questioned? This
issue not yet addressed, the phasing in of improvements may
need to be done. Questioned the lack of soccer fields and wanted to know why make the expenditures for practice
fields/managed turf? Susan Lewis spoke again on drainage concerns. Chairman Hulbert, again stated, it was an
engineering issue that will need to be addressed. He
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continued, that it was only a conceptual plan and asked Board
members for any further input. Katie Kuehn stated her concerns
on managed turf issues or soccer fields in disguise, future needs will dictate land uses. Commented on current grass
levels in Woods Road right-of-way. She asked permission to cut
right-of-way as long as we have no liability. She was informed
that those were issues for the Public Works. Susan Lewis asked
if tree saolinas could be saved and permission asked to remove before cutting-occurs. Ron Stephens-moved to approve
sub-committee conceptual plan. Howard Scl hneider seconded.
Discussion followed again with public commenting on traffic on an Woods Road. Committee of the Whole direction is to have a
informational hearinq as the next step. Motion carried, all in
favor. Chairman Hulbert announced that next month an
informational hearing will be held. Alderperson Woodard to
talk with Mayor De Angelis to address specifics of the plan.
The purpose of the public hearing will be to formulate a "site plan" as costs not yet a factor, or even being considered.
Items to be addressed at the July meeting would include cost of
a 48-car parking lot, cost per foot for a 6' and 4' chain-link fence, and police department's thoughts on the emergency/service vehicle access. At this point, fencing
questions were again raised.
Parks Dedication account
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The Board members reviewed the 1997 budget for the Parks Dedication account as revised on May 12, 1997 by the Finance
Director.
Adopt-a-Trail proqram
Parks Director Theis displayed the sign identifying the participants in the Adopt-a-Trail program. Next month,
information will be provided showing the segments of the entire trail and the adopted portions.
Safety City request
The Muskego Woman's Club has requested that for their program
in July the lines for Safety City be repainted at Horn Field.
Parks Director Theis presented two estimates for the work. _ Ron
Stephens motioned to recommend to Finance Committee an expenditure amount not to exceed $1,000 for the project.
Alderman Slocomb seconded. Discussion followed. Motion
carried, all in favor. Pete noted that car parking is being
used in this area; lot is just not for overflow parking.
West Tower Road qate
Parks Director Theis presented to the Board a request from a
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constituent to re-evaluate the West Tower Road gate situation at Horn Park. Ron Stephens moved to deny the request. Howard
Schneider seconded. Discussion followed. Motion carried, all
in favor.
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Police Department incident reports
The Board members reviewed the incidents as reported.
Non-reported incidents were brought up. Chairman Hulbert questioned why? What is a log entry versus a police report?
He questioned police procedures and just how many complaints
are followed up within that department? He asked Pete to report on these procedures at the July meeting.
Park Arthur wetland delineation map
The Park Arthur wetland delineation map was reviewed by the Board members. Storm water damage to the park was discussed.
NEW BUSINESS, OTHER BUSINESS
Subdivision plans from Plan Commission
In the matter of the Kimberly Estates, the Board reviewed the path, questioning the paving width.
COMMUNICATIONS AND MISCELLANEOUS BUSINESS AS AUTHORIZED BY LAW:
Parks Director updated the Board on the Lannon Drive bike path construction schedule.
Richard Manchester readdressed the Adopt-a-Trail program and
this lead into a discussion of the shoulder of Highway L and its need to be cleaned up near the New Berlin/Hales Corners
construction sites.
Howard Schneider expressed concerns about some of Mark Paulat's
duties.
Chairman Hulbert commented on dandelion and weed control. Felt
it was a matter to privitize. Selected sites to be chosen and
run through the budget process.
ADJOURNMENT:
There being no further business, Richard Manchester moved to
adjourn, Alderman Slocomb seconded. The motion carried, all
approved. The meeting adjourned at 9:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
for Parks and Recreation Board
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pc: Board Members, Mayor, Aldermen, City Clerk, Parks Dir.,
Plan Dir, Recreation Dir, Recreation Supvr, News Media
Releasea by Chairman Hulhert
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