PRB101496minutesCORRECTED MINUTES
PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, CITY OF MUSKEGO
MONDAY, OCTOBER 14, 1996
The monthly meeting of the Parks and Recreation Board, City of Muskego, was called to order at 6:05 p.m. by Chairperson Jerald Hulbert.
PRESENT: Debbie Carlson, Jerald Hulbert, Howard Schneider, Ron
Stephens, Toby Whipple, Gordon L. Jacobson (Recreation Director) and Peter Theis (Parks Director)
LATE ARRIVAL: Alderman Pat Patterson (6:45 p.m.)
ABSENT: Richard Manchester (excused)
GUESTS: See attached list.
Notice of the meeting was posted on October 10 in accordance
with the Open Meeting Law.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Ron Stephens to approve the minutes of the Board meeting held on Monday, September 9, 1996, as mailed.
Toby Whipple seconded. Motion carried, all in favor.
Tour minutes to be part of next month's monthly Board meeting.
Review was deffered.
PERSONAL APPEARANCES:
Lake Access Parcel #8
Mr. Marvin Strasser questioned the reason for the fence. Jerry
Hulbert asked Pete to explain. Board minutes of June 10, 1996,
were pointed out that fencing was included in the plan approved
by the Board. Alderman Salentine explained the situation as it
presently exists. Corner points were established and marked.
Markers were removed. Marvin Strasser responded to her. Jerry
and Nancy Gallo responded to fencing situation, asked for a
wall to be constructed along his property line. Concerned
about dangers in cutting the area. Review of Lake Access #8 to
be looked at further if needed. North property line boundary
to be revisited. Howard Schneider questioned the length of the fence. Marvin Strasser restated his position against the fencing. Howard Schneider questioned the roadside width versus the shoreline width. Gene Mura addressed the Board. He also questioned the fence and its cost-related expenses. Debbie Carlson asked why the plan was adopted? Alderman Salentine
gave a historical summary of the neighborhood's problems with
this situation. Police records were addressed. Wisconsin Department of Natural Resource's grant availability was a
reason cited for the plan. Ron Stephens commented on the
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situations that arise from public property abutting private
property. Marvin Strasser again made comments regarding Alderman Salentine's comments. Considerable disagreements continued on this situation. No motion made by the Board to bring issue back for reconsideration.
WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE:
The Board were in receipt of a letter regarding the Water Bug
Ski Team's use of Idle Isle Park which was addressed under Old
Business.
OLD BUSINESS:
Committee's of the Whole's combine departments
Mayor addressed this issue. Stated plan to be implemented on
March 31, 1997. Summarized the selection process for hiring a
Parks and Recreation Director. Pete questioned the "interim
director" proposal. Mayor explained. Approval of position
descriptions will be the next action step that the Parks and Recreation Board members will have to react to. Ron Stephens
and Howard Schneider questioned the two nay votes.
Park Tour review
Minutes to the October 12 park tour to be accepted at next
month's meeting.
Water Buqs Ski Team lease aqreement
Doug Aird introduced himself as the new ski club president.
Lions Club was looking to get involved into blind skiing as the
only change for 1997. Park Manager position discussed and
looked on favorably. Additional cost of the Parking Lot
Attendant ($264) was discussed as the Committee of the Whole
suggested it be recovered through a user fee. Club suggested a
club member be used versus staff. 1997 lease agreement to
include verbage to assess the group a fee if their help doesn't
work out.
The anonymous letter of September 12 was read. Concerns of the
letter were answered by Doug Aird. Boat patterns could be
adjusted to reduce erosion concerns and effects on dredging projects. Mark Paulat was asked to have some input. Pete
explained he talked to Mark and he needed proper surveying
equipment to make a determination. Howard Schneider was asked
for his input as a lake association representative. Shows were
welcomed, but an alternate practice site was suggested.
Additional buoy markers were recommended by Doug Aird as being a solution to create a more defined traffic pattern.
Audience Input
. . . Dredged area was a concern and matters may be made worse if patterns change.
. . . More accurate input should be sought with factual
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made. . . . Too many buoys presently exist. The positioning of these buoys questioned. . . .Buoy placment to be discussed with the water patrol program was the Board's direction.
. ..Total Idle Isle activity was discussed and the times of the
day were questioned. Doug Aird responded the pier was crucial to their program. . . . Jerry Hulbert also said parking for club members would be an issue with alternate site.
. . . Jeff Musialowski's concerned with dredging projects and sensitive waterbeds.
.Thought boating in channel was actually beneficial for the
** lake. . . .Alderman Patterson suggested buoy issue go to the Public
Services Committee.
. . . Audience member commented on the legality of the buoy placement and how it relates to the ordinance the City
adopted.
. . . Jerry Hulbert asked Howard Schneider his thoughts on buoy
adjustments relating to the letter's concern.
.Troy N. questioned the chain of command with City if " problems exist. Cited the problems he experienced last
summer. Questioned skiing patterns again and found fault
with the club's privileges.
Discussion between club members and audience proceeded.
Ron Stephens moved to approve a 1997 lease aqreement with buoy
placement review and Mark Paulat be consulted as to dredginq effects. Debbie Carlson seconded. Pier usage discussed and
non-member's use. Motion discussed. Number of practice and
ski dates to remain the same. Jeff Musialowski offered his
input to work with the club. Howard Schneider asked for one
less day of practice to keep disturbance to a minimum. Doug
Aird said it would be hard. Ron Stephens explained his
motion. Howard Schneider motioned to amend the aqreement to
two nights. Alderman Patterson seconded. Howard Schneider
thinks activitv has neaative effects on dredaed area. Audience
input compared-thunderstorm to boating traffic. Cost related
to surveying brought up by Alderman Patterson, said may get too costly. From the audience, a gentleman stated he attends the
shows and did attend the show up at state tournament, commented
that if you limit the club's practice dates, you would be placing them in a position of using the lake when other traffic
is present. He felt it would be detrimental to the club. He
would like to see the club grow and become a stronger club. Pete informed the Board that he had a telephone message
from Mr. Bill Knippel stating positive things about the club. Vote on amended motion to limit, all opposed. Amended motion did not carry. Original motion, all in favor except Howard Schneider opposed. Motion carried. Howard Schneider was asked if he wanted reconsideration. He responded no, all knew what he was thinking.
DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
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RECREATION
Proqram status
Alderman Patterson asked if any significant decreases. Gordy
responded weight training and swim lessons due to facility limitation. Playground increases cited with field trips being marketed.
Community ice rink
Lighting procedures for last year were discussed. Police
Department staff used to control lights. Timer was suggested,
$175 cost for timer and installation. Ron Stephens motioned,
Toby Whipple seconded, to recommend that the Finance Committee
allocate $175 in funds for timer and installation. Finance
Committee to make determination on fund allocation. Alderman
Patterson suggested Park Dedication funds. Motion carried, all
in favor. Ice conditions being placed on hot-line were
discussed.
PARKS
Public Works Committee action form on ice rink
The newly created form was discussed. This project will be
worked out between the department heads, not requiring a form
submittal.
Police Department incident reports
The police department investigated theft ($1,100) of the Bluhm Farm Park pay phone on September 16, destruction of the Schmidt
Park identification sign on September 21, and racial graffi,
which has since been removed, at Schmidt Park on October 7.
Budqet(s) status)
Operating Budget
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Capital l 1.
Assess user fee to Water Bugs Ski Club, Inc. to offset
Wednesday night parking lot attendant wages ($264).
Transfer $5,000 from Account #0100.7300.2100
(Professional & Consultant Fees) to the Parks
Dedication Budget for the Thiesenhusen development plan.
Add $120 to Account #0100.7300.2400 (Contracted
Services) for Cleaning Services--P.H.Q.B. (Common
Council Resolution #215-96).
Budget
Withdraw $6,000 request for used pickup truck. Request
$2,237 to repair and modify Army surplus truck.
Parks Dedication Budget
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1. Cut $26,200 from Jensen Project (Phase I). Directed to prepare a cost comparison between rehabilitating the
present structure and constructing a new recreation center building.
2. Assess storage fees on the Little Muskego Lake District and the Little Muskego Lake Association for their space utilization at Idle Isle Park to offset the building
maintenance expenditures
Discussion on the Jensen Project (Phase I). New construction
versus rehabilitation costs. Alderman Patterson suggested
Chuck Dkystra be consulted for cost estimates. Site selection
discussed. Square footage needs discussed. Cost for new
construction will be dependent on a needs assessment. cost
benefit analysis to be done in house.
Storage fees discussed. Little Muskego Lake Association and
Little Muskego Lake District expenses relating to the dredging projects were brought up. Howard Schneider stated benefits to
the City are realized. Alderman Patterson motioned
recommendation for storaqe fees. Motion died for lack of a
second.
September cuttinq report
l The September cutting report was reviewed.
NEW BUSINESS, OTHER BUSINESS
Plan Commission subdivision plans
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In the matter of the health center on Janesville Road and
Parkland Drive, Chris O'Mera from Boldt Development explained
the medical clinic site as it relates to bike path construction
in this area. Two directions are in the Comprehensive Plan,
east on Janesville or south on Parkland. Jerry Hulbert
mentioned the discussion which took place on the tour of October 12. Offer by the developer was to construct the
Janesville Road segment. Ron Stephens suggested Parkland Drive
segment be constructed by the developer first. Howard Schneider questioned the developer as to their position. Either segment was accepted. Then both segments were suggested
with Toby Whipple reiterating. Developer stated the expenses
would be an onus on her situation if both segments were
involved. Mr. Klenz commented on the situation and compared it
to a sewer assessment on a corner lot. Alternatives to constructing both segments were explored. Alderman Patterson commented on bike path's service to the community, not just to
the medical clinic. Costs related to project were discussed.
Howard Schneider made motion to put in both paths. Ron Stephens seconded. Jeff Musialowski from the audience commented favorable on the motion. Jerry Hulbert called for the motion, all voted in favor of the motion.
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Toby Whipple questioned the status of the Denoon shelter.
ADJOURNMENT:
There being no further business, Toby Whipple moved to adjourn,
Ron Stephens seconded. The motion carried. The meeting
adjourned at 8:15 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
for Parks and Recreation Board
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