PRB050988minutesMINUTES
PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEETING, CITY OF MUSKEGO
MONDAY, MAY 9, 1988
The monthly meeting of the Muskego Parks and Recreation Board was called to
order at 7:05 PM by Vice-president Richard Manchester.
PRESENT: Ald. Dan Hilt, Jerald Hulbert, Richard Manchester, Thomas Millonzi,
Therese Rilling, Ronald Stephens, Jackie Schweitzer (Recreation
Supervisor) and Peter Theis (Parks Supervisor)
ABSENT: Dennis Kucharski
GUESTS: See attached list.
INTRODUCTION OF NEW BOARD MEMBERS:
Introductions were made of the two new members of the Parks and Recreation Board:
Therese Rilling and Ald. Dan Hilt.
ELECTION OF OFFICERS:
Correspondence was received from Mayor Salentine stating that the President
of the Parks and Recreation Board is the person who should represent the Board
on the Plan Commission, per state statute.
President and Plan Commission Representative:
Ron Stephens nominated Jerry Hulbert for Board President and Plan Commission
representative. Tom Millonzi seconded. There being no further nominations,
nominations closed. Board unanimously approved the nomination.
Vice-President:
Jerry Hulbert nominated Richard Manchester for Board Vice-President. Alderman
Dan Hilt seconded. There being no further nominations, nominations closed.
Board unanimously approved the nomination.
secretary:
Ron Stephens nominated Tom Millonzi for Board Secretary. Jerry Hulbert seconded.
There being no further nominations, nominations closed. Board unanimously
approved the nomination.
The meeting was turned over to newly elected President Jerry Hulbert.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Jerry Hulbert asked that the April 11th minutes be clarified to indicate a joint
venture for monies for bike path between Hr. Ingersoll and Park Dedication money
as part of the development of the DandiLion Park property. Richard Manchester
moved to approve, as corrected, the minutes of the April 11th meeting. ROll
Stephens seconded. Motion carried.
Minutes, Parks and Recreation Board Meeting, May 9, 1988, page 2.
PUBLIC COMMENTS (limiting launching of boats at Idle Isle Park to number of parking
spaces and "no motor loading" of boats):
Jerry Hulbert asked that discussion be limited to 45 minutes and that people
could speak only once to the issues until everyone who wished to be heard had
an opportunity to speak. Opened the floor for public comment:
Larry Bryant (President, Oak Ridge Association)--driveways blocked biggest
complaint, suggests posting street "no parking trailers."
Mayor Salentine would like to know what we canand cannot do. Peter Theis,
Parks Supervisor, explained his conversations with the DNR and DNR attorneys.
Joan Dergin--again parking to be a problem out of control; 50 and 75 cars and
trailers came into Idle Isle a couple of weeks ago. Parked all over. Pete
explained attendants on duty are limited to weekend hours only, Memorial Day
through Labor Day.
Gil Spieler suggests that to alleviate the parking on grass, rocks would help
eliminate some of the problem.
Alderman Dave Taube wanted to know who Peter spoke to at the DNR. Peter indicated
Ron Pining, Tom Blotz, Atty M. Lutz. He questioned why the DNR would care what
we do with the launch. What is adequate parking at the public launch at Idle
Isle? Peter reported that based on formulas, 18-28 car-trailers.
Jim Craycraft--most boat trailers are "drive on" type. He sees no erosion
problem at the launch site. Would like to see expanded parking for trailers.
Boardraisedseason pass to $10. Why do other launch sites charge more? Willing
to help Pete with sign placement (painting signs, arrows, etc.). Concerned with
animosity between lake residents and non-lake residents, would like everyone
treated fairly.
Eric Woelbing--if limited to 18 launches, where do the people waiting to get in
wait? What happens to residents who live near the lake and want to launch but
the 18 spaces are filled?
Jean Marenda--Why don't we have different fees for resident and non-resident?
BenChamberlain--All Muskego residents pay taxes to support the Park. Should be
given more rights. More research should be done into more exclusive use for
Muskego residents.
Dave Bohn questioned if launch is obsolete and erosion a problem, possibly
move launch to a more open area.
Ron Pries suggests placing rocks again around parking areas. People still
driving on grass to get to picnic areas.
Keith Bennett--actual striping is at 16 not 18 launching parking spaces.
Problem is terrible, but lake not crowded at all. Expand parking at the park
for boat trailers. He realizes final decision is the City's, but Wisconsin
Administrative Code book says could put up to 50 parking stalls on this island.
Please provide parking. Force people to park in other places, just moves the
problem out.
Minutes, Parks and Recreation Board Meeting, May 9, 1988, page 3.
John Ross--erosion from large boats is terrible. Thinks 18 boats should be a
limit to park at Idle Isle. Has to be policed, there are other lake accesses
and should be concerned with safety on the lake.
Jan Knapp feels that people are confused over "residency" (non-resident is out
ofs~tate, not out of city). She toured Brown's Lake, they have 10 parking
stalls for boat and trailer. Gave further details on their operation. Feels
we need to educate the residents about launch rules. Suggested having entrance
gates (cyclone fence).
John Marenda suggested an advisory committee; more police action for cars
illegally parked. Jerry Hulbert suggests that the Mayor look at establishing
an advisory committee.
PERSONAL APPEARANCES:
Bob Rasmussen
Bob Rasmussen did not know he would not be reappointed to the Parks and Recre-
ation Board until after the April Board meeting. He was proud to have served
on the Board and the accomplishmentof projects over the past couple of years.
Thanked the Board, MAA, Puddles, Women's Softball, LMLA, etc. for their
cooperation. Special thanks to Pete and Jackie. Wishes the Board good luck.
Little Muskego Yacht Club fee waiver request
Bill Anderson appeared to represent the Little Muskego Yacht Club. Would like
to pay per boat if only paying for launching the one time. If they would be
charged for each launch each day, they would like to pay the $60 fee. The Board
indicated it would be charged per launch (each day). Mr. Anderson will contact
Jackie or Pete with an answer by the June meeting.
Ruby Drive lake access
Fred Bauer appeared with concerns that people (in particular, kids) will not
have access to the dam to fish. Jerry Hulbert read Finance Committee's recom-
mendation. Alderman Hilt stated lot is basically useless. Richard Manchester
questionned why Mr. Harr can't build garage on Ruby Drive. Alderman Hilt
stated it can't be done because of the hill. Accesses his house down a long
steep hill,
Richard Manchester moved to not sell lot. Lack of second, motion died. Alder-
man Hilt moved to recommend sale of the Ruby Drive lake lot with the under-
standing that a public access easement from middle of channel to lot line be
retained for fishing, etc. and that all other necessary easements be retained,
with monies from sale of lot to go into a separate non-lapsing park fund as
recommended by Mayor Salentine. Ron Stephens seconded. Richard Manchester
moved to amend the motion that whatever monies are received would go into Park
Dedication account. Motion failed for lack of second. Main motion carried
with one opposed.
A policy is being adopted by Finance Committee for notification of adjacent
land owners in the future sale of these lake accesses or any city-owned land.
Minutes, Parks and Recreation Board, May 9, 1988, page 4.
0 Mavericks baseball league
Don Dietzler appeared (representing Mavericks) to express their concern about
designation as a non-resident. (Are not-designated as non-resident, but
travelling league.) They feel paying a usage fee is an incorrect designation.
Team is made up of all residents, should not pay $lO/time to use field.
Jerry Hulbert stated sub-committee reviewed these fees. No action taken by
the Board, will review for next season.
Mavericks also requesting 3-hour time slots, 6 times as in 1987. Jackie stated
these are l&-hour slots available at this time. No complaints last year.
Ron Stephens moved to approve 6 double time slots for scrimmage for 1988.
Richard Manchester seconded. Motion carried.
LMLA request for electric service at Idle Isle
Wil Vidal appeared to request permission for two permanent light poles to be
installed at Idle Isle Park. (A rough plan was presented.) Little Muskego Lake
Association would pay for poles, lights, installation and electric bill for
their use during Lake Fest. Board concerned with the electric bill and Ingersoll
lights that are available. Alderman Hilt sees no problem. Jerry Hulbert
suggested something more energy efficient. Ron Stephens moved to grant permission
for installation of lights and electric, work with Peter and to bring back
final plans for final approval of Board. Richard Manchester seconded. Wil Vidal
also noted with their events, lights would go off at 11:30 PM. Motion carried.
WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE:
Wil VidaljIdle Isle boat launch-Ingersoll development
Mr. Vidal just summarized the comments from his letter, which was mailed to
all Board members. Lake belongs to all citizens. Parking problems are mainly
trailers. More signs are needed. Make trailer parking less convenient.
Wanda Decker/Lochcrest lake access
Mrs. Decker's concern was with the talked of sale of this parcel of land. No
one has approached the City or Parks Board about this. Alderman Hilt states
that lot would not be sold without notification of residents. Richard Manchester
thought public notice was common practice.
Little Muskego Lake Protection & Rehabilitation District
Board reviewed theletter from the LMLPRD. Alderman Hilt comments that these
are good points, but we aren't sure that they can he implemented due to
discrimination. Will look at overall possibilities with advisory committee.
OLD BUSINESS:
Launching limits/no motor loading at Idle Isle Park launch site
After hearing public comments regarding the launch and motor loading, the Board
and Mayor would like more feedback on this issue. It is a complex issue.
Alderman Hilt will help set up a committee to study of various issues about
the boat;launch, fees, no motor loading, rules on lake and come back with a
Minutes, Parks and Recreation Board Meeting, May 9, 1988, page 5.
recommendation. It was suggested this committee be made up of a cross section
of people, the various lake affiliates (fishing group, LMLA, Lake District,
Ski Club, Yacht Club and local off-lake residents). Mayor said he would review
and set up an advisory committee and report to the Parks and Recreation Board
next month the status of the committee and any information. Alderman Hilt
and Richard Manchester will attend the meetings.
A person in the audience indicated with motor loading that the problem is not
motor loading per se, but the amount of power some people use to load.
Defer to next meeting for more information from the advisory committee.
Status of bike paths
Jerry Hulbert reported we should have heard by April from WEPCO (Wisconsin
Electric Power Company), but have not to,date. He will be contacting them.
Defer to next meeting for more information. Jerry Hulbert would like to see no
gates on the bike paths. Signs will be needed. Indicated that Board members
should check out the bike path systems in New Berlin and Racine County out of
Wind Lake/Norway.
Ingersoll development
The Board will need to meet with Mr. Ingersoll to determine what portion of
monies used for bike paths. Need to determine ownership of property the
bike path would be on. Tennis court agreed to in last phase by Mr. Ingersoll.
Path is deleted down Park Drive because of room and expense.
Sale of lake access #19 (end of Silver Drive)
Discussed under personal appearance by Fred Bauer.
DEPARTMENT REPORTS:
PARKS
Kurth Park improvements
Pete reviewed with Board a layout of proposed hard surface area. Estimates for
full basketball court would be $3,500-$4,000. To redo entire with adding on to
existing parking lot, would be $9,800-$11,800 (grading, paving, seal coating).
Ron Stephens stated he didn't feel a need for a larger parking lot due to cost.
Also funds could be better used elsewhere. Three thousand ($3,000) dollars to
color coat and seal tennis courts, no action by the Board at this time, unless
more public response.
Idle Isle parking lot
Peter reported that there are an additional 20-25 car parking spaces (no trailer
parking) completed. Board reviewed print of Idle Isle Park.
Minutes, Parks and Recreation Board Meeting, May 9, 1988, page 6.
Tug of War tournament
Bob Sullivan requested permission to use Horn Park on June 12th for tug of
war tournament. Pete has confidence in Bob to handle this if he doesn't&ligate it to
SOmecJne else. Time request is 8:00 AM-8:00 PM. Beer permit on file with depart-
ment. If selling, must get permit from City. Jackie wants to know if usage fees
are required. Ron Stephens moved to approve usage if all rules are followed.
Richard Manchester seconded. Motion carried.
Bluhm Park horse path
Pete reviewed with the Board the request some years ago by area horse riders to
designate an area at Bluhm Park for them to ride through the Park. This was
approved by the Board. Current problem with horses jumping outfield fence
of Bluhm II ball diamond. Pete requested Board to withdraw right to ride horses
along this path. Will post as such. Richard Manchester moved to withdraw
designated bridle path at Bluhm Park. Ron Stephens seconded. Motion carried.
Peter also informed the Board that a letter was sent to the lady who had
presented the petition informing her of the current situation and that it
was going to be discussed at this meeting if she wanted to appear.
Denoon Park baseball netting theft
Pete stated that the ball field netting at Denoon Park was stolen. Value is
$750 of netting. No word from insurance company at this date.
RECREATION
Sunmler program
Jackie stated interest in kayak classes. Asking Waterbugs to start l/2 hour
later for two dates, June 14 and 16, in order to offer the classes. Waterbugs
were in audience, agreed to this. Jackie reviewed other programs to be offered.
For a one-year trial, moving summer playground from Kurth Park to Bluhm Park.
Reviewed the community square dance/ice cream social and weight room programs.
Indicated that the department was asked to move summer gymnastic to another
facility due to the changes occurring at Bay Lane School. Jackie met with
Mr. Boerner and explained it is a difficult program to move due to equipment
involved. Agreed to allow us to stay at Bay Lane but asked that we inform
people to exercise caution due to all the school equipment being stored in
hallways, cafeterias, etc. Changing Advanced Lifesaving/Basic Rescue swim
classes to one week in June rather than four weeks in evenings in August and
September. Swim club also requested to use pool Monday-Friday, 4:00 PM-6:00 PM.
In past, had staggered hours. Granted their request on a one summer trial basis.
Golf outing
Discussion at a later date.
NEW BUSINESS, OTHER BUSINESS:
Denoon Park improvements
Reminder that there are escrow monies for improvements at Denoon. Public
works will address problem with the "ponds." With new members and updating of
the comprehensive master plan, felt it important that in mid-July, tour all
Minutes, Parks and Recreation Board Meeting, May 9, 1988, page 7.
parks for review. Board members, Plan Commission, school board, etc. would
be invited. This would be instead of July meeting. Set Saturday, July 23rd,
as the date at 8:00 AM.
Plan Commission subdivision plats
There were no official plans presented. Jerry Hulbert reviewed the next
development "Meadow Green West" PUD (planned unit development). Open areas
should be reviewed. There will be approximately 200 homes, some duplexes.
Jerry Hulbert would like Board feedback as to what we are asking for from this
development. He recommended an access to bike path with road or asphalt path
with speed bumps. Don't want to make this road a shortcut. Jackie indicated
this PUD should provide more recreational facilties as others have. Richard
Manchester suggested a minimum of two acres.
Board should also preview parkland area behind Pick 'N Save, what we would like
to do with it?
Waterbugs' pier
Waterbugs requested permission to put pier in even though no certificate of
insurance. Would their cancelled check be okay? Also, a toll free phone
number to call and verify. Board saw no problem if present cancelled check
and verification received.
ADJOURNMENT :
The Mayor brought up the issue of the honor system being implemented at Idle
Isle Park. Felt it should be further reviewed before implemented. Doesn't
see where it will work.
Richard Manchester made a motion to adjourn the meeting. He felt that since this
was not on the agenda and had been discussed in depth at previous meetings, there
was no reason for further discussion. Seconded by Ron Stephens. Meeting adjourned
at 10:45 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
THOMAS L. MILLONZI
Secretary, Parks and Recreation Board
NOTE: Next Parks and Recreation Board meeting will be third Monday of June
(June 20th).
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