PCM19931116CITY OF MUSKEGO
PLAN COMMISSION
MINUTES OF PLAN COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON NOVEMBER 16, 1993
Mayor David DeAngelis called the meeting to order at 7:15 p.m.
PRESENT: Chairman David DeAngelis, Ald. Taube, Commissioners ,
Building Director Chuck Dykstra.
ABSENT: Commissioners Honl and Hulbert (excused)
MINUTES: Commissioner Smith made a motion to approve the Minutes
Upon a voice vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously.
of the November 2, 1993 Meeting. Commissioner Raimann seconded.
Raimann, Smith, Director of Planning Matthew Sadowski and
OLD BUSINESS:
None
CONSENT AGENDA:
Certified Survey Map for Tom & Shelia Nelson located in the NW
RESOLUTION YP.C.208-93 -- Approval of Extraterritorial
motion to adopt, Commissioner Smith seconded. Upon a roll call
1/4 of Section 3, Town of Norway. Commissioner Raimann made a
vote, Resolution #P.C. 208-93 passed unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS:
RESOLUTION IP.C.209-93 -- Approval to construct One
Permanent Non-illuminated Two sided sian for Chamber's Dental
Group located at S76 W17619 Janesville-Road. Commissioner Smith
made a motion to adopt, Ald. Taube seconded. Chairman De Angelis
explained that under the first BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED should be
amended to read as follows: BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the sign
be located outside of road right-of-way if a variance can not be
obtained. And also to correct the title of the resolution to read
P.C. 209-93. Commissioner Raimann made a motion to amend as
Chairman De Angelis stated, Commissioner Smith seconded. Upon a
voice vote, the amendment passed unanimously. Upon a roll call
vote, amended Resolution #P.C. 209-93 passed unanimously.
RESOLUTION YP.C.210-93 -- Approval of a Sketch for a Land
Division for Three Parcels by Wayne Salentine, Bob Pelzmann, and
Ed Kotnik located in the SE 1/4 of Section 18 and the NE 1/4 of
Section 19. (Hillendale Drive) Commissioner Smith made a motion
petitioner, indicated that the most southern parcel is being sold
to adopt, Commissioner Raimann seconded. Mr. Pelzmann,
and added to the land of an adjacent land owner. Chairman De
parcel a perc test is not necessary. He further stated that the
Angelis indicated that if the property is added to an adjacent
third (southern most) parcel is not required to be included on the
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Certified Survey Map if it is being added to an adjoining parcel.
Chairman De Angelis stated to the petitioners that the perc test
Map. Chairman De Angelis asked that the resolution be corrected
and the wetland delineation must be shown on the Certified Survey
by changing the word both parcels to read all parcels. Chairman
De Angelis also stated that the City would require a 80' road
Map. Upon a roll call vote, Resolution #P.C. 210-93 passed
right-of-way of Hillendale Road at the time of Certified Survey
unanimously.
RESOLUTION 4P.C.211-93 -- Approval of a Sketch for a Land
Division for Two Parcels by Metropolitan Engineering for Mike
Bartz located in the SE 1/4 of Section 11. (Velva Drive)
Commissioner Smith made a motion to adopt, Ald. Taube seconded.
Chairman De Angelis asked Director Sadowski to give a brief update
of this property. Director Sadowski explained that when Bay Lawn
Subdivision Addition's #2 & #3 were constructed the plans
at some time. Therefore, it is desirable that a road dedication
indicated that Velva Drive and Roger Drive were to be extended
This would insure that if the property owner to the east would
or road reservation be given at the time of Certified Survey Map.
ever develop, the property would have access not only from Durham
Drive, but also from Velva Drive. Mr. Bartz asked what the
term "road reservation" meant. Director Sadowski indicated that a
road reservation leaves the option open for the City and/or
point in the future. Director Sadowski further stated that with
property owner to potentially sight a street at a location at some
highway the petitioner will want interior access to this
the Moorland Road extension being proposed as a limited access
property. Chairman De Angelis indicated that we are not looking
for the road extension at this time, but the road dedication or
reservation would be required. Chairman De Angelis asked if the
commissioners preferred a road reservation or a road dedication.
Chairman De Angelis explained that a road reservation is always
present, but that it does not necessary mean it will be developed
deeded to the City as a road way and is actually part of the road
into a road until it is necessary. And a road dedication is
extension. Director Dykstra questioned whether the City still
accepts road reservations or only allows road dedications.
Chairman De Angelis indicated that there should be a legal opinion
on whether the City can still accept a road reservation. Ald.
Taube asked how these two parcels align with the Moorland Road
extension. Chairman De Angelis indicated that these parcels will
Chairman De Angelis showed Mr. Bartz what effect a road widening
not be in the way of the proposed Moorland Road extension.
for the Moorland Road extension would have on his property. Ald.
Taube felt that the petitioner should research how he will develop
this property, so that he will not have problems later on. Upon a
roll call vote, no action could be taken due to a lack of a
quorum, Commissioner Raimann abstained because this is his
sister's property. This item will be deferred until the December
7, 1993 meeting where action will be taken under Old Business.
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Operation Plan by Losee & Associates, Inc. for Plum Creek
RESOLUTION IP.C.212-93 -- Approval of Building, Site and
Apartments (Eight Families) located in Plum Creek East Subdivision.
Commissioner Smith made a motion to adopt, Commissioner Raimann
seconded. Mr. Losee, Losee & Associates, Inc., was present to
answer any questions the committee would have. Chairman De
Angelis indicated that there is an insufficient amount of brick on
all of the proposed buildings. Mr. Losee indicated that all
seven of the buildings will be identical. Chairman De Angelis
brick. Mr. Losee indicated that they are trying to develop a
indicated that typically the commission looks for at least 50%
maintenance free building and landscaping area. Mr. Losee
stated that they had wanted to spend additional monies on the
landscaping rather than the additional brick. Mr. Losee asked
if adding brick to the rear elevation of the building, up to the
bottom sill of the second floor windows, would be acceptable to
the commission. This brick would be added only on gable end
areas. The buildings will be positioned so that the garages face
each other. Therefore, it is Mr. Losee's opinion that more
brick in not needed in these areas. Commissioner Raimann
bricked. Mr. Losee agreed and stated this could be done.
indicated that the pillars between the garage doors should also be
Chairman De Angelis asked if the brick could be taken to the peak
of the gable. Mr. Losee indicated that it is very costly to run
brick to the gable peak and this would be on the back of the
building not facing the street. Chairman De Angelis indicated 0 especially Lot 3 since it is a corner property. Mr. Losee felt
that not all the buildings will be faced the same way and
that the design should be consistent and rejected the idea of
installing brick to the gable peaks.
Ald. Taube is very concerned with the shortage of parking around
buildings. Ald. Taube is uncomfortable with the tandem parking
(parking vehicles in the space behind the garage door). Mr.
Losee pointed out that the alternative is additional asphalt
Angelis felt tandem parking was acceptable citing that he has
rather than the proposed landscaping and green area. Chairman De
didn't. He felt that the individual will adjust to the
lived in places that have had tandem parking and places that
better, because it allows for a greater amount of green space.
situation. Chairman De Angelis feels that the tandem parking is
Director Dykstra indicated that the driveway accesses are not
adequate for the Fire Department's access. He stated that the
Fire Department would need to review this. Director Dykstra also
felt that this may affect how the buildings may sit on the
property.
Chairman De Angelis asked how the commissioner's opinion were with
respect to the amount of brick as presented. Commissioner Raimann
is comfortable with the amount of brick that has been added at
this evening's meeting. He is concerned with the lack of storage
have overhead storage and that the Deed Restrictions will state
for the tenants. Mr. Losee indicated that the garage's will
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Chairman De Angelis is apprehensive of approving this without
that there can only be one vehicle parked in front of the garage.
being able to see a photo of other buildings the developer has
constructed which have similar exterior treatments. He can bring
very little to no brick, but not an exact duplication of the
in buildings from Brookfield that will have a similar design with
buildings under review this evening.
Ald. Taube feels that there should be additional areas for
parking. Mr. Losee is agreeable to adding additional parking
spaces, but he wants the Plan Commission to realize that it will
mean less green space. He would like a direction from the Plan
Commission regarding the amount of spaces that should be added.
Commissioner Smith is in favor of the green space instead of
additional parking. Ald. Taube feels that the additional exter
parking would allow for snowmobiles, boats etc. to be stored
spaces will just bring more vehicles. Commissioner Raimann is
inside a building. Commissioner Smith feels that the additiona
satisfied with the brick and with the vehicles; he feels that
parking is adequate.
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Ald. Taube asked why this landscaping plans do not include the
required trees as per the Subdivider's Agreement. Mr. Losee
stated that the landscaping plans follow the buildings and asked
where the committee would like the additional trees to be
planted. Chairman De Angelis indicated that the Developer will be
required to plant trees for every 50' for frontage. Mr. Losee
asked if he can come back to staff showing the additional trees.
Commissioners Smith and Raimann indicated that they are agreeable
to the Plan Department reviewing the revised Landscape Plans.
Ald. Taube is not comfortable approving this until a colored
rendition or other representation can give him a feeling of what
the buildings will look like. Chairman De Angelis would also like
to see a color rendition and/or photos of similar facilities that
they have built. Commissioners Smith and Raimann agreed. Ald.
Taube made a motion to defer, Commissioner Raimann seconded.
Upon a voice vote, the motion to defer Resolution #P.C. 212-93
passed unanimously.
MISCELLANEOUS BUSINESS
Director Dykstra stated that Mr. Maslar is present to explain his
on Janesville Road. Chairman De Angelis asked if there was any
side of the situation that has transpired at the Bohrer property
objection from any commissioners. None of the Commissioners had
any objection. Attorney Chris Zimmer, Attorney for Mr. Maslar,
permit and is there a temporary occupancy permit he can receive
asked what is required for Mr. Maslar to obtain an occupancy
until he could obtain his permanent occupancy permit . Director
Dykstra indicated that Mr. Maslar was operating without an
sanitary facilities, and without an occupancy permit for that
approved Building, Site and Operation Plan, without proper
Dykstra stated that Mr. Maslar attempted to obtain an approved
use. At this time, Mr. Maslar's business is illegal. Director
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Building, Site and Operation Plan which would requird the
installation of sanitary facilities in the pole barn currently
would not be able to invest that much money into this facility.
occupied by Mr. Maslar. However, Mr. Bohrer has indicated that he
This property has received an approval for Mr. Kriel to run his
boat operation from the entire site. Attorney Zimmer indicated
that there is a lease in existence between Mr. Maslar and Mr.
Bohrer at this point in time. Director Dykstra stated that at
this time, this site does not have approval for Mr. Maslar's
business. Attorney Zimmer thanked the Plan Commission for
allowing them the time to discuss this with them.
Chairman De Angelis thanked Director Dykstra for his time and
commitment as the temporary Plan Director. And Chairman De
Angelis welcomed Matt Sadowski as the new Plan Director.
ADJOURNMENT
Ald. Taube made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 8:40 p.m.
Commissioner Smith seconded. Upon a voice vote, the motion to
adjourn passed unanimously.
Recording Secrexary J