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PCM19920602CITY OF MUSKEG0 PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES OF JUNE 2, 1992 MEETING A M E N D E D M I N U T E S -- AS OF 6/16/92 MEETING PRESENT: Mayor Wayne G. Salentine, Mr. Edward Raimann, Ald. Dave Taube, Mr. Darl Honl, Traci Smith, Jerald Hulbert, David DeAngelis and Lawrence Kirch, Director of Planning. ABSENT: No one. Chairman Salentine called the meeting to order at 7:OO PM. MINUTES : Mr. Honl made a motion to approve the Minutes of the May 19, 1992, Meeting and Mr. Raimann seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: m for Buckv Lowe. W208 S8151 Hillendale Drsve, NE 1/4 of Section Resolution #P.C. 34-92" Approval of land division sketch - before this is discussed again. Mrs. Smith made a motion to defer 18. The-Common Council still needs to react to the moratorium to the June 16th, 1992 meeting and Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to defer passed unanimously. division (subdivision) at W208 St3285 Hillendale Drive for Larry Resolution #P.C. 45-92" Approval of sketch for land Schmidt. The Common Council still needs to react to the moratorium before this is discussed again. Mrs. Smith made a motion to defer to the June 16th, 1992 meeting and Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to defer passed unanimously. Automotive at S81 W18510 Gemini Drive by Kenneth J. Gummo. Resolution #P.C. 89-92 -- Approval of sign for Muskego - Chairman Salentine said this resolution had been deferred at the property, was present with the tenant, Mr. Kenneth Gummo. Mr. 5/19/92 meeting and was on the floor. Mr. Duranso, owner of this Kirch said he had received correspondence from Mr. Duranso dated May 28, 1992 giving approval for: 1- A new sign for the Gemini Office and Warehouse building. 2- For parking lot expansion and used car sales. Mr. Gummo said the wood, lit, two-sided sign he is proposing would have four different sections, one for each tenant, and be presented should be in its final form. It was suggested that the professionally done, Some commissioners felt the sign sketch planner review the final draft of the sign. After some discussion e L Plan Commission Meeting June 2, 1992 the owner and tenant were directed to state on the sign request whether there will be sign illumination (existing flat wall sign is lit), landscaping, materials to be used, square footage for B- zonina adherrina to the setbacks. determine the location. Mr. Gummo-stated that the sign sketch submitted would be redone by a sign company. Ald. Taube moved to defer and Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to defer passed unanimously. operation plan, lighting, signage and landscaping at 583 W19024 Saturn Drive for American and Foreign Body Shop, Muskego Industrial Park for Samir & Antoinette Dalal. Chairman Salentine on the floor. Mr. Kirch read parts of the resolution itemizing said this resolution was deferred from the 5/19/92 meeting and was the conditions: 2-Revised site plan submitted. 1-Public Hearing has been held. 3-Building, site and operation plan submitted. Mr. & Mrs. Dalal said their builder (Morton Builders) was late and was bringing photographs of other Morton buildings to show the commissioners. There was a brief discussion about the brick being with cedar or metal. Chairman Salentine asked the owners if they placed up to the eve height and all the way around the building wished to proceed without the builder or be deferred to the end of the meeting? Mr. & Mrs. Dalal decided to defer until later. Everyone was in agreement. Resolution #P.C. 93-92 -- Approval of building, site and at the former Ray's garage site at 566 W14427 Janesville Road. Chairman Salentine asked Ald. Taube to explain why this was back on the floor. Ald. Taube said several aldermen had approached him to have this resolution reconsidered concerning the signage after reading the Plan Commission Minutes of May 19, 1992. Ald. Taube made a motion to bring this resolution back on the floor for reconsidertion for discussion and Mr. Honl seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to bring this resolution back on the floor for reconsideration passed unanimously. Ald. Taube said the aldermen expressed concern with the hours the sign would be lit, (which should have said "dusk to dawn" in the minutes); the signage location on a building, which was as tall as it is wide, and the 5% rule were questioned. Mr. Kirch was asked to present the signage background on several other businesses in the area, which have similar zoning, etc. He said Muskego Marine had one freestanding sign on a pole and one flat wall sign. Ald. Taube said more than one tenant share the freestanding sign at that location, and the sign appears to be on the lot line. E.J. Salentine across the street from Ray's Garage had 8 signs originally and now should only have 4 signs and there was no Mr. Honl commented that the Salentine sign is lit at night. Mr. information in the file to indicate the hours the signs are lit. Kirch said the zoning for all three properties is B-3. Mr. Dale Kreil can have 5% or 60 sq. ft. as per code--the placement is the Plan Commission's determination. Mr. Dale Kreil was present and Resolution #P.C. 115-92 -- Approval of signs for Dale Kreil 3 Plan Commission Meeting June 2, 1992 stated he needs all signage, as requested, to be lit for advertising from dusk to dawn for security reasons and the amount of signage to comply with dealership requirements. Mr. DeAngelis asked Mr. Kreil if the dealer is required to have a certain amount? Mr. Kreil responded no, just logos with certain requirements. He told the commissioners he has already purchased these signs after getting Plan Commission approval on 5/19/92, and will be using Midwest Sign Company to erect them. He passed out several brochures indicating the logos for his signs. All four signs will be uniform in size. He wishes in the future to change the "Casanova's" sign to either "Country Lakes Marine" or "New Casanova Country Lakes Marine". He would like to add "Tracker" to the sign. Mrs. Smith said her reason for voting against passage of the resolution was because she felt he was crunching all four signs in an area on the front of the building. Ald. Taube said if Mr. Kreil's signs are 3' x 5' there would be 3' between the signs. Mrs. Smith felt the clock and brick work was also a factor in how the signs would look on the front of the building. Ald. Taube felt Mr. Kreil may possibly have to get custom-made signs if he changed the sizes. Mr. Hulbert said he also had voted no windows. Mr. Kreil responded he likes to open the windows and because of the number of signs--perhaps the logos could go in the wouldn't want signs blocking them. More discussion followed with ideas on the signage. Mr. Hulbert asked if all five would be lit? Ald. Taube said that was his understanding. Mr. Kirch suggested the four flat wall signs be located below the the clock on the first floor of the building. Ald. Taube said if the commissioners feel they are uncomfortable with the sign ordinance, they shouldn't change it in mid-stream with Mr. Kreil, but send it to Rules, Laws and Ordinances with their recommended changes. Mr. Kreil is within the 5% allowed and it is hard to deny him. More discussion followed regarding the hours the signs would be lit. Mr. Honl suggested they make a ruling to turn off all signs for Muskego businesses at 11:OO PM. He noted E.J. Salentine's sign was lit all night. Mr. Kreil responded he would have a timer Salentine asked the commissioners if they had any amendments? Mr. for the lights and needed them for security reasons. Chairman Hulbert made a motion to amend the resolution to limit the flat wall signs to three (3) with one (1) freestanding sign and Mrs. Smith seconded. A brief discussion followed. Upon a roll call vote the motion to amend the resolution concerning the number of signs was defeated by a vote of 5 to 2 with Mr. Hulbert and Mrs. Mr. Honl, Mr. DeAngelis and Ald. Taube voting against. Smith voting for the amendment and Mayor Salentine, Mr. Raimann, More discussion followed concerning the hours the signs are to be lit. Chairman Salentine said now we are back to one freestanding aldermen's concerns were over the lighting also. Mr. Honl made a sign with four logo signs on the building. Ald. Taube said the motion to further amend the resolution to have only "Casanova's" name remain on the freestanding sign without the logo for 4 Plan Commission Meeting June 2, 1992 about dropping the name "Casanova's" and changing to "Country "Tracker" added. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Mr. Kreil again talked Lakes Marine'' or "New Casanova's Country Lakes Marine". He has to make a decision. Ald. Sanders was present to ask if the old freestanding sign pole will be used? Mr. Kirch responded the pole has to be in the same location to conform. Mr. Honl called for the question. Chairman Salentine said the commissioners must first vote on the choice of one name on the freestanding sign as indicated by Mr. Kreil to be Country Lakes Marine as the amendment by Mr. Honl and Mr. Hulbert. Mr. Honl called for the question. Upon a roll call vote the motion to call for the question was defeated by a vote of 5 to 2 with Mr. Hulbert and Ald. Taube DeAngeslis and Mrs. Smith voting no. Upon a roll call vote the voting for it and Mayor Salentine, Mr. Raimann, Mr. Honl, Mr. motion to further amend the resolution with the one freestanding Mr. Hulbert, Mr. Honl, Mr. DeAngelis, and Mrs. Smith voting for sign passed by a vote of 6 to 1 with Mayor Salentine, Mr. Raimann, motion to have the lights on the four flat wall signs be lit to the amendment and Ald. Taube voting against. Mr. Honl made a 11:OO PM and the one freestanding sign be lit all night. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to amend passed by a vote of 6 to 1 with Mayor Salentine, Mr. Raimann, Mr. Hulbert, Mr. Honl, Mr. DeAngelis and Mrs. Smith voting for the amendment and Ald. Taube voting against. Mr. Honl made a motion to adopt the resolution with all the amendments and Mr. Hulbert resolution with all changes passed by a vote of 6 to 1 with Mayor seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to amend the Mrs. Smith voting for the amendments and Ald. Taube voting Salentine, Mr. Raimann, Mr. Hulbert, Mr. Honl, Mr. DeAngelis and resolution passed by a vote of 6 to 1 with Mayor Salentine, Mr. against. Upon a roll call vote the motion to pass the amended Raimann, Mr. Hulbert, Mr. Honl, Mr. DeAngelis and Mrs. Smith voting for the resolution and Ald. Taube voting against. NEW BUSINESS: grant to allow for sand and gravel extraction at 571 W13219 Tess Resolution #P.C. 117-92 -- Approval to renew conditional use Corners Drive for John Glockner. Mr. Raimann moved for adoption and Mrs. Smith seconded. Ald. Taube asked if there was a restoration plan? Mr. Glockner said yes. Chairman Salentine said he remembered it would be a lake but so far only a small amount has been extracted. Mr. Glockner extracts appproximately 50 loads a year and the slope is 1' to 4' or 1' to 2'. Mr. Kirch read the conditions of Mr. Glockner's Conditional Use Permit where it stated the slope has to be 1' to 4' with a restoration bond of $25,000. Chairman Salentine noted the junk business is not a part heard on this matter. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt of the extraction use. No one from the audience wished to be passed unanimously. (pool house) for Robert and Joyce Cardenas at W132 56812 Fennimore Resolution #P.C. 118-92 -- Approval of 2nd garage structure Lane. Mr. Hulbert moved for adoption and Mr. DeAngelis seconded. 0 Chairman Salentine noted that the Board of Appeals secretary had notified the Plan Commission that Mr. E, Mrs. Cardenas had received pool house at the last Board of Appeals meeting in May. Ald. a 9' 2" offset variance from the south lot line to construct a Patterson was present and said he'd received a call and went on-site to look at the location for the proposed structure. He compared what was sent to the neighbors for the Board of Appeals setback. Mr. Kirch said the property line includes the easement. There are other sheds nearby 15' to 20' from each other. Mr. Hulbert shared Ald. Patterson's concern with the builder placing the shed in the wrong position. Mr. Kirch felt the builder will work with the owner and the Building Inspection Department to construct the structure in the correct location. Mr. Cardenas was told to contact his builder to make sure the structure is placed in the correct location on his property. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously. l and another sketch and they were different concerning the 11' 6" I I I Auto Sales, W179 57714 Pioneer Drive. Mr. Honl moved for adoption and Mrs. Smith seconded. The owners of Pioneer Auto Sales were in business well-maintained. Mr. Anton said originally they wanted 8 attendance. The Plan Commission complimented the owners on a He passed around pictures showing the parking of the vehicles on cars to be displayed for sale, but now he would like more cars. the front part of his business. He is requesting 11 vehicles with one blocking the driveway (12 total). Mr. Kirch said if he parks one car in the driveway that will eliminate people from driving around the back. He also asked Mr. Anton if extending the operating hours on Thursday and Friday evenings to 8:OO PM between February and October as read in the resolution was acceptable. Mr. Anton said it was. Mr. Anton wishes to construct a split rail would alter his site plan approval. His original plan showed fence near Pioneer, but allow a walkway for pedestrians, which plantings there. Currently he has a lilac bush and one tree and present to express concern about the number of vehicles increasing feels there isn't room for more plantings. Ald. Sanders was to 10 or more, as he feels 8 is enough to be spaced well. Mr. Anton responded he would line up the vehicles parallel to fit more vehicle in the driveway, the Plan Commission is really only in the parking area. Mr. Hulbert said if you consider the one allowing one more vehicle. Mr. DeAngelis made a motion to amend the resolution to state in the Be It Further Resolved, That the number of automobiles shall be increased to ten (10) vehicles. That the lilac bush be removed and replaced with a pine tree, the tree remain as shown on the site plan, and the split rail fence replace the perimeter landscaping and eliminate the flat wall the resolution passed unanimously. Upon a roll call vote the sign. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to amend motion to adopt the amended resolution passed unanimously. Resolution #P.C. 119-92 -- Review of landscaping for Pioneer 0 Resolution #P.C. 120-92 -- Approval of extraterritorial final plat for Nordic Ridge, SE 1/4 of Section 5, Town of Norway. Mr. Hulbert moved for adoption and Mrs. Smith seconded. Ald. 6 Plan Commission Meeting June 2, 1992 Taube questioned why the road easemen .t is 66' which i ours? Mr. Kirch said he doesn't know the Town of Norway's subdivision regulations, but presumed the wider road was for open drainage. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously. s larger than structure for John Ellis, W145 57057 Brentwood Drive. Mr. Raimann Resolution #P.C. 121-92 -- Approval of second garage moved for adoption and Mr. Honl seconded. It was noted the survey shows the correct position. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously. certified survey map in the SW 1/4 of Section 3 for Randy Belanqer Resolution #P.C. 122-92 -- Approval of extraterritorial in the Town of Norway. Mr. Hulbert moved for adoption and Mr. - DeAngelis seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously. Chairman Salentine requested a 5 minute break at 8:50 PM. Everyone agreed. The meeting resumed at 9:00 PM. site, and operation plan for Lvnn Kurer at W143 S7980 Durham Resolution #P.C. 123-92 -- Approval of amended building, Drive. Mr.-Honl moved for adoption and Mr. DeAngelis seconded. The buildings as indicated on the amended building, site and operation plan are in two different zoning districts. The west is R-2/00S and east is R-2. Chairman Salentine asked if any complaints had been received at the Planning Department? The Recording Secretary said no. Mr. Raimann asked if the increased size of the building would be a problem? Mr. Kirch said no. Mr. Raimann requested a timeframe for completion of this large building. Mrs. Kurer said she would like to take down the "pigs stable" in June. Mr. Kirch said the Plan Commission could have a one year completion date for this large building. Some of the commissioners were concerned that the building is too large and may not be used for personal use. Mr. Raimann made a motion to amend the resolution to read as follows and Mr. Honl seconded. Be It Further Resolved, that Buildings #1, #2 and #3 are on the east side and there shall be no rental. Be It Further Resolved, Building #5 now used for rental would be used for personal use such as Mrs. Kurer's corvette, tractors, and fencing supplies. Be It Further Resolved, the long-term rental in Building #7 would be to store boats, cars and recreational vehicles. Be It Further Resolved, the amended building, site and operation plan will be reviewed in one (1) year by the Plan Commission to ensure that Building #7 is constructed within one (1) year. 7 Plan Commission Meeting June 2, 1992 Upon a voice vote the motion to amend passed unanimously. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt the amended resolution passed unanimously. Resolution #P.C. 124-92 -- Approval of site plan for Dr. David Hofmeister at S76 W17527 Janesville Road. Mr. Raimann moved for adoption and Mr. Honl seconded. Mr. Raimann said the shed should meet the offset requirements. Mr. Kirch was concerned that the cars not run into the shed and trash shelter, since they are proposed to be located in the parking area. The shed must be 15' Hofmeister was present and said the dental lab (which is away from the rear lot line and 10' for a sideyard offset. Dr. his building. He is proposing to build a 10' x 16' shed with independent from his business) and a stock broker business share vertical board and enclose the 4 yard trash container with the same type of board for an enclosure. There was some concern about the trash enclosure being located ahead of the principle building. Some of the commissioners felt the trash shelter should be located further back from the street and parallel to the front of the building not counting the porch. Mr. Honl made a motion to amend the resolution to require the trash shelter to be located parallel to the front of the building not counting the porch and Ald. Taube seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to amend the resolution passed unanimously. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt the amended resolution passed unanimously. banner for Hardee's of Muskeao at 574 W17095 Janesville Road. Resolution #P.C. 125-92 -- Approval of temporary sales Ald. Taube moved for adoptio; and Mrs. Smith seconded. Mr. Kirch Department to see if a permit is required for a banner.(later it said he would check with the director of the Building Inspection was determined that a permit is not required for a temporary sales banner) Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously. Resolution #P.C. 126-92" was temporarily deferred. site and oDeration Dlan for Johnnv's Petroleum Products, Inc.. 576 Resolution #P.C. 127-92 -- Approval of amended building, W17871 Jankville Rbad. Mr. Raimann moved for adoption-and Mr. DeAngelis seconded. Chairman Salentine requested the owners (Marv and Jack Strasser) and Mr. Tony Kotlowski, the representative from Petroleum Equipment, Inc. explain their plan. Mr. Xotlowski said everything to the west would be concrete, and to the east property line, asphalt. Mr. Jack Strasser said from the LP tanks west to the building will be concrete and from the barrier to the fence. Mr. Hulbert asked if the canopy will be moved? Mr. Strasser said yes, the State has approved a new eggshell white canopy to blend with the old red/white and someday have their name on the canopy. Chairman Salentine felt the asphalt paving should have a timeframe established. Mr. Marv Strasser said a 40' strip of asphalt from Hwy. L to the curb will be done right away. Mr. Honl made a 8 Plan Commission Meeting June 2, 1992 motion to amend the resolution to state: Be It Further Resolved, That the yearly review be eliminated. No one seconded, so the motion was off the floor. It was noted that the neighbors were amend the resolution to state: under 4th Whereas, #1 say "Removal satisfied with the barrier project. Ald. Taube made a motion to Add: Be It Further Resolved, That paving of the drive be and relocation of 11 and replace with 7 underground tanks. plan dated June , 1992. Mrs. Smith seconded the motion. completed within two (2) years as indicated on the revised site Upon a voice vote the motion to amend the resolution passed unanimously. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt the amended resolution passed unanimously. Mr. Kirch requested that a revised site plan be submitted clarifying the paving requirements and location of the paved driveway. 14, Section 1.5(2], of the Municipal Code of the City of Muskeqo, Resolution #P.C. 126-92 -- Recommendation to amend Chapter Floodplain Ordinance -- deferred-to later in the meeting. . .. and Building, site and operation plan, lighting, signage and landscaping at S83 W19024 Saturn drive for American & Foreign Auto Body and Sales, Samir and Antoinette Dalal. This resolution was already on the floor. Chairman Salentine had the Recording Secretary read a letter from Arthur K. Krueger of Instrumatics, who said they have submitted this letter dated June 1, 1992 in Inc. at 583 W18902 Saturn Drive in the Muskego Industrial Park, would appreciate locating the building reversed so that the lieu of their presence as they are unable to attend. He stated he parking area and garage doors face the open field (which is owned by the city.) The back of the building would face the side of their building otherwise. The representative from Morton Bldg. passed out color photographs of two options for the building--one option having the brick up to the eve and 2- having 42" wainscot. Mrs. Dalal said one of the pictures is exactly what they wish to construct and they would stain the cedar any color. Mr. Dalal Therefore, in response to Mr. Krueger's letter, he feels by said they would have a special spray booth (DNR approved), etc. more fumes, noise, etc. It was noted a lot next door is owned by turning the building around as he is requesting, there would be work, his cars will be inside the building or in the fenced-in the City of Muskego. Mr. Dalal said he will not be doing radiator area; he will have a sodium light over the front entrance; a fence 5' or 6' high. The commissioners liked the idea of having slats building will be constructed with narrow windows with brick up to in the fence for screening on all four sides. Mrs. Dalal said the the eve and wrapped around the building. Mr. Raimann made a motion to require slats in the fence on all displayed at any one time and no specific number of automobiles sides and that outside sales be limited to six automobiles inside the fence. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to amend passed unanimously. Ald. Taube made a motion to Resolution #P.C. 93-92 -- Approval of Conditional Use Permit 9 Plan Commission Meeting June 2, 1992 amend the resolution to require a 6' high fence and Mr. Hulbert by a vote of 4 to 3 with Mr. Hulbert, Ald. Taube and Mrs. Smith seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to amend was defeated voting for the amendment and Mayor Salentine, Mr. Raimann, Mr. Honl and Mr. DeAngelis voting against. Note: after some discussion needed as it is part of the Rules of the Industrial Park. Ald. it was determined that the fence must be 6' high and no vote Upon a roll call vote the motion to amend was defeated by a vote Taube amended the resolution to brick 42" and wainscot the rest. of 5 to 2 with Mayor Salentine and Mr. DeAngelis voting for the amendment and Mr. Raimann, Mr. Hulbert, Mr. Honl, Ald. Taube and Mrs. Smith voting against the amendment. Ald. Taube amended the resolution to state that the brick be placed to the eve with the rest stained cedar and brick on the sides to the break in the building. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion Mr. Hulbert, Mr. Honl, Ald. Taube and Mrs. Smith voting for the to amend passed by a vote of 5 to 2 with Mr. Raimann, Mr. Raimann, Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt the amendments to the amendment and Mayor Salentine and Mr. DeAngelis voting against. resolution, which were adopted, passed unanimously. Dam Rezonina Mr. Hulbert moved for adoption and Mr. Honl Resolution #P.C. 126-92 -- Approval of Little Muskego lake seconded. ifter a brief discussion, Mr: Honl made a motion to defer to the June 16, 1992 meeting and Mrs. Smith seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to defer passed unanimously. MISCELLANEOUS BUSINESS: --Discussion Floodplain/Floodway map mailing ..... Mr. Kirch said DNR is necessary. The Recording Secretary was asked to request a two separate letters were mailed. Further clarification by the larger room for the Common Council public hearing due to an expected large turnout. --Mr. Hulbert wished to discuss "pole building" style construction in the Industrial Park and amending the Deed Restrictions for the Industrial Park. Several members felt it isn't quality construction for the city. ADJOURNMENT: Ald. Taube made a motion to adjourn at 11:05 PM and Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to adjourn passed unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Cheryl Schmidt Recording Secretary cds