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PCM19920325." . DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT W182 58200 RACINE AVENUE BOX 903 * MUSKEGO, WI 53150-0903 (414) 678Tl7J 679-4136 MINUTES OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW MEETING COUNCIL CHAMBERS - MUSKEGO CITY HALL HELD ON MARCH 25, 1992 AT 7:OO PM Chairman Wayne G. Salentine called the meeting to order at 7:05 PM and asked the Recording Secretary to read the roll. The Plan Commission had a quorum later in the meeting. PRESENT: The following Plan Commission Members-- Mayor Salentine, Jack Schmidt, Edward Raimann and Traci Smith attended. Mr. Jerald Hulbert, Ald. Sanders and Mr. Honl were excused. The following Common Council Members--Alderman David Taube, Alderman William Simmons and Alderman Patrick Patterson attended. The Comprehensive Plan Study Committee was also in attendance in quorum. County Supervisor Frank DeAngelis attended. There were approximately 35 citizens present also. Larry Kirch, Director of Planning was present. Reporter Steve Tietz was present. Chairman Salentine gave a brief outline of the night's agenda. The first one-half hour he hoped to devote to citizen input; the Plan Commission and the Comprehensive Plan Study Committee would have their input to decide what to implement from the citizen's concerns; then open it to the citizens from approximately 9-9:30 PM . Mr. Stan Potrykus spoke first to introduce himself as the Chairman of the Comprehensive Plan Study Committee, his Vice-chairman Scott Garland, Wayne Peterson, Blenda Treba, Dave DeAngelis, Russell Jankowski, Dottie Rector, Bob Klenz, Alderman Simmons and Ken Baranowski. Mr. Jeffry Simkowski, a resident on Ridge Road, asked if it was the intent to upgrade Hillendale Drive to a 4-lane road and what are the thoughts in the planning process? Chairman Salentine referred this question to a Comprehensive Plan well-traveled and will be re-surfaced only. Larry Kirch, Director Committee Member. Mrs. Blenda Treba responded Hillendale Drive is of Planning, explained the Regional Planning Commission's roll in this planning as a "collector" street versus an arterial street. The committee intends to have Hillendale remain a 2-lane road, but have pull-out lanes -- perhaps widden the street. Scott Garland 2-Comprehensive Plan Review Meeting March 25, 1992 said a "collector" street is in the plan and a study from Waukesha County transportation people (SEWRPC) with complete drawings gave the committee information concerning the dimensions of roads. He said it was thought that the western part of Muskego and the southwestern quardrant in time would become developed to that level--arterial. Mr. Jeff Simkowski, resident, spoke again about Stoneridge and the garbage trucks and his concern with truck traffic. He felt Crowbar is less "residential" than Hillendale. Mr. Garland responded saying this is based on projected traffic flow, safe flow rates and peak times. You have to match the flow with the traffic. Mr. John Diedrich, resident on Hillendale Drive, said he had been at several City meetings concerning Terra Development where they said traffic on Hillendale would be limited. He also asked about the environmental impact and Mrs. Gillespie's property. Mr. Larry Schmidt, a resident on Hillendale, said Hillendale is almost Avenue. Another resident asked where is the future traffic on "suburban" and traffic should go down Janesville or Racine Hillendale to go 20 years down the line? Mr. Scott Garland said southwest of that area; people view Hillendale as a short-cut. Mr. Mike Benson expressed concern about widening Hillendale, as plans do not seem to warrant it. He be an impact on a number of properties if Hillendale was widened. feels development should be directed toward Big Bend. There would He would be 25' off the road. Tim Kebbekus, a resident on Hillendale, asked if the City will have to tell people a 4-lane is going in if they want to sell their property? The cost of the sewers has caused people to do land divisions to pay for it. Mr. Kirch said that the road has been designated for an 80' Right of Way. Mr. Schneider, a resident, said traffic should be directed toward Crowbar and 1-43 to direct traffic to National Avenue. At this point Chairman Salentine said the status on repairing Hillendale may end up in the courts, as bills were not paid and the bonding company is now involved. Chairman Salentine directed conversation toward the Multi-family issue. Mr. Jerome Jaraczewski, a resident on Racine Avenue, talked about development near Woods Road and Racine Avenue. He felt the Police Department is called for problems at 8-family units more often than single family homes. Ald. Patterson asked why the large acreage of multi-family in the area. Stan Potrykus responded that the committee didn't say 26 acres--just that the location is multi-family and they didn't recommend rezoning. Page 11 of the draft was discussed relating to the 26 acres. Ald. Patterson wanted to discuss high density units and whether the committee had considered the negative impact. Stan Potrykus responded when you study the area, you have less multiple and you need to promote this housing and put up with the problems. Chairman Salentine felt the number of police calls were not too high based on the fact you have more people living in one area. 3-Comprehensive Plan Review Meeting March 25, 1992 He liked the idea of having 35 acres near the Morland Road area devoted to multi-family. Multi-family is not only 8-family units. Mr. Potrykus said the Committee had all sorts of studies done--including duplex housing. Muskego should be a Lifecycle Community where you can get started in a rental unit and move up. Ald. Patterson said at the last meeting of the Comprehensive Study Committee and Plan Commission, someone from Madison recommended 35% multi-family. What is a workable number? Mr Potrykus was Ms. Pam Boehm, a resident on Bay Lane talked about the Industrial against picking a number. Park being located near Moorland Road and has checked with New Berlin and their zoning. She found New Berlin is expanding their their city limits--north central part of the city. Industiral Park. Mr. Scott Garland said Muskego should stop at He spoke about Table 12 on page 32 of the draft and the possible housing mix ratios. At this point Chairman Salentine said the public could come to City Hall to buy sections of this draft or the book. Mr. Kirch said if there is a big interest, he will have more copies made at a cost of $10.00, but there are no extra copies to sell at this time. If people will put an asterisk next to their name on the sign-in sheet, he will contact them. Mr. Kirch said the large map on the easel showed recommended future land use over an existing zoning map and the colors relate to the handout. Ald. Taube asked the Comprehensive Study Committee Members if they were unanimous in supporting the large increase in duplex--what percent was in favor. Mr. Potrykus responded when the planner did the duplex study, he tried to come up with a formula for affordable housing. It would appear that the only way you can get affordable housing is through duplexes. The majority agreed. Ald. Taube commented that the City has agreed to the development of Plum Creek. What can the City do next to get Industrial land elsewhere. Stan Potrykus responded there are two sites: -Moorland Corridor or -southeast corner of city could be Industrial like storage areas. Mr. Benson, a resident, read in the paper there are two requests on the west side of Hillendale to rezone from RS-1 to RS-2 and he questioned whether that was "spot zoning". That area in the plan is for low density, so how can you consider that for RS-2 zoning. Mr. Larry Schmidt, resident on Hillendale, responded that one of those requests for rezoning is his and sewers should change the property was the other rezoning request. She felt the zoning. Mrs. Merle Lowe, another resident on Hillendale, said her Comprehensive Study Plan Committee at one of their meetings had recommended to change her land to RS-2. Chairman Salentine said that right now the plan says low density. Mr. Bob Xlenz, a Committee member, said his intent was not to have agreed. Hillendale 4-lanes. Mrs. Blenda Treba, another Committee member, 4-Comprehensive Plan Review Meeting March 25, 1992 At 8:00 PM Chairman Salentine asked the members of the Plan Commission if they would like to discuss the multi-family issue. They agreed. Mr. Jack Schmidt said he lives on Woods Road and can't see anything further being developed on Hillendale and it should be a "collector" site. Chairman Salentine said people should be discouraged from using Hillendale. Ald. Taube talked about seeing previous maps showing proposed new roads. Stan said the Comprehensive Study Committee did not get into additional roads, as it wasn't their decision. Chairman Salentine said the City has to come up with a new road plan. Mr. Kirch said the Regional Planning Commission could prepare a transportation document. There was some discussion concerning the road width remaining 80'. In summary concerning Hillendale--the road would remain a 2-lane "collector" street with repaving. At this point Chairman Salentine closed discussion on multi-family to the public. He stated Mr. Hulbert, who had an excused absence, had a written statement saying he totally opposes the amount of multi-family proposed. Mr. Kirch mentioned Plum Creek, College Park Apartments and other proposed multi-family as the areas listed for multi. Mr. Garland said we've used up all the RSM minority on his committee, as he isn't in favor of any more P.U.D. zoning for the Lifecycle Plan. Mr. Klenz said he was in the with multi-family. Ald. Simmons said the committee was almost unanimous concerning duplexes. This is the trend for the Lifecycle--build in an area by itself and don't mix with residential development. The Plan Commission will need to layout the demographics said Ald. Simmons. Chairman Salentine asked how do we not bring them against the single family homes. Pam Boehm discussed 50 acres near Meadow Green. Mr. Heinrich, a resident, talked about having 8 units on one acre normally a duplex lot. He said that as of 1982, every community has to make this type of housing available. Each lot doesn't have to be one acre for one house--80', 9O"lOO' wide is a normal lot. People don't want big lots anymore, as it is too much to maintain. They want to be free to pursue other things in life. Ms. Pam Boehm said that 26 acres doesn't adjoin Meadow Green. Mr. multi-family, as it brings in renters, as they bring values down Steve Braka, a resident on Woods Road, is not in favor of and don't take care of the property. Chairman Salentine said we can't feel that way about all 8-family areas, as there are several well-kept developments. Ald. Patterson talked about zero-lot line development and asked if area. Mr. Potrykus said he isn't aware of any Lifecycle Community there is any example of the Lifecycle Community in the Milwaukee and he felt duplex or zero lot line is the same idea. Ald. 5-Comprehensive Plan Review Meeting March 25, 1992 aJ e Patterson asked how they will meet the affordable needs. Mr. Potrykus said the Plan Commission has input. Ald. Patterson said duplex is affordable housing. There was more discussion about owner occupied duplex housing and side-by-side construction. Mrs. Traci Smith told the Comprehensive Study Committee the plan they prepared is an idealistic plan for Muskego and she isn't in favor of more multiple. Is there a demand for it? Is it what the citizens want? Scott Garland talked about the area near the high school being a good area, so students can live closer to school. Chairman Salentine said there are plans that in 1999 Racine Avenue will be a 4-lane road. Mr. Jerome Jarazewski felt why make it so attractive to population growth. Chairman Salentine said the intent of the plan is to deal with the future. The 90 day moratorium is to stop conflict in zoning. The plan is for the next 10-15 years and it is hard not to envision it happening right away. He said he expected more changes in the draft from the existing plan and didn't see that many. Kurt Fifer of Thomas Jewelers commented that the Comprehensive Study Committee spent over two years on this plan and the City should follow the plan--they have the foundation. between Moorland and the existing multi is a good choice as there In summary concerning the multi-family issue, the Durhamswood area are schools and a County road system. There was some discussion about senior citizen housing near Racine and the need for public transportation. Mr. Harold DeBack said a buffer is necessary with multi-family and he isn't in favor of large areas of multi. Mr. Raimann is against a large amount of multi, but not against good duplexes and good 8-families like Lake Forest and Plum Creek. Mr. Schmidt said this plan is a good guide to look at and plan ahead by the plan and make the best choice possible. to make a logical decision. The Plan Commission can try to abide Chairman Salentine said a Public Hearing will be held in the future. Most items do not bring controversy and we can follow the guide. Ald. Simmons felt the plan was a tool to apply regarding zoning and the P.U.D. should remain with underlying zoning. Chairman Salentine said we have to be cautious without a P.U.D. A site plan is a layout for the developer to proceed. Mr. Potrykus said the key is to stick to the density and not rezone. There was some discussion about Moorland Road. Stan thought it should go through. Chairman Salentine said a traffic pattern is needed. Supervisor DeAngelis said it's up to New Berlin. Chairman Salentine said we can work with the Chamber of Commerce, New Berlin and Brookfield, etc. to get the corridor in shape for the Master Plan. It would be nice to do it in three phases. Supvr. DeAngelis said the City has to make a great effort on their part. The County Board has gone to special assessments (to 0 budget. The County and the City must work together. builders, cities). This year's County Budget is next year's Chairman Salentine said there had been initial meetings and they had agreed on the routes. Supvr. DeAngelis suggested the City form a very active committee to work with County Executive Finley. Mr. Bob Klenz said he had been a member of the past committee concerning this and the New Berlin Mayor and Plan Commission had agreed this was a good idea, but T-funds were taken away along with the sewers. The Comprehensive Plan Study Committee hadn't studied roads for future development as they were a citizen group. Mr. Kirch recommended the Regional Planning Commission become involved. Mr. Potrykus said SEWRPC doesn't design maps, an engineer would have to do this. Mr. Scott Garland asked if a committee to study this road extension would be established? Chairman Salentine said they would go back to the Common Council for support, get the Chamber of Commerce's input and wait for the upcoming elections before acting. He asked Scott if he was volunteering for the committee. They were all in more rural setting. agreement that they want a "premier" entrance to the City with a In summary, they wish to continue with Moorland Road being a priority and will contact the Council and Chamber. The Susner property was mentioned. @ The next issue was Industrial land. Industrial land provides jobs who has increased their industrial park area? It is really supply and a tax base. Mr. Klenz asked, can we compete with New Berlin, and demand. It may be premature to compete. Both Mr. Potrykus and Chairman Salentine said if a big company comes in, they'll be neighbors. Ald. Taube suggested industrial land along the large enough to do the extra to acquire enough land and be good proposed Moorland Road Extension between Janesville and College since it would be near a freeway. Chairman Salentine liked the Muskego. He suggested more industrial land adjacent to the high open space entrance idea near Moorland as a "show place" for school, as there is nothing abutting to the south. Ald. Simmons has done a survey and found there is a lot of available land left Taube suggested industrial park land south of Janesville and west in the present Industrial Park.(approximately 70 acres) Ald. of Crowbar. In summary, they felt the City could review the need for more change. It is premature to add more acreage at this time. industrial park land in the next 10-15 years and react to the Chairman Salentine recommended a specific outline be sent out for the next meeting with the Plan Commission and Common Council and to invite the Comprehensive Study Plan Members back for further discussion of this draft. The citizens will be invited to the 0 will be held in the Council Chambers around the large table for public hearing through publication in the newspaper. The meeting better communication. It is hoped to be able to go over the draft 7-Comprehensive Plan Review Meeting March 25, 1992 item by item. The next meeting date will be Wednesday, April 1, time . 1992, at 7:OO with all parties present agreeing on the date and ADJOURNMENT: Mrs. Smith made a motion to adjourn the meeting at to adjourn passed unanimously. 1O:OO PM and Mr. Raimann seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion Respectfully submitted, L44%yU2&Ga-& / Cheryl D. Schmidt Recording Secretary 3/27/92 PLAN COMMISSION Notice of Meeting for Comprehensive Plan Update WEDNESDAY MARCH 25, 1992 -- 7:OO PM COUNCIL CHAMBERS Discussion on draft of Comprehensive Plan for the City of Muskego. cds 3/6/92