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PCM19900320CITY OF MUSKEG0 PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES OF PLAN COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MARCH 20, 1990. Mayor Wayne Salentine called the meeting to order at 7:10 P.M. Hulbert (arrived 7:15 P.M.), Alderman Daniel Hilt, Dottie Rector, REB BENT: Chairman Wayne Salentine, Edward Raimann. Jerald and Director Gerald Lee. ABSENT Darl Honl and Jack Schmidt. MINUTES Mr. Hulbert made a motion to approve the Minutes of the March 6, 1990 meeting. Mr. Raimann seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to approve the minutes passed unanimously. OLD BUSINESS: /\ RESOLUTION #P.C. 36-90 - The recording secretary read Resolution #P.C. 36-90. Chairman Salentine informed the ~~~ ~ commissioners that this resolution is on the floor. Mr. Rob Patch was present and stated that he met with CJaukesha County Park h Plan and since they cannot determine how much acreage will be preserved in the subdivision for park land, he would like to see this resolution deferred. He needs more time to do the -.e layout of his subdivision. He went on to describe the pie-shaped area involved. Mr. Patch also talked about the drainage problems will be. Therefore, he is requesting the commissioners defer and retention and detention ponds -- how big and how deep they would like to come back with the correct layout. Chairman this resolution for two weeks to determine lot acreage, as he Salentine responded that it is important to the Plan Commission to have this knowledge, so they can make a recommendation to the Common Council on the density. There are a lot of unknowns. Mr. Hulbert asked the Chairman what we could vote on tonight. Mr. Lee responded that on 145 acres the density would be 372. Mr. Hulbert asked if we would be going back to RS-2/0PD zoning? He commented that the developer would have to pay park dedication would not get anything. Mr. Patch said he would work with the fees or $200 per lot. If it is donated to the County, the city county to resolve this. Mr. Patch stated that since there are with Mr. Mike Losik, his engineer. Ald. Taube commented that the drainage concerns, he will be meeting with the lake association meeting will be held in the Lions Room (downstairs) of City Hall this Thursday at 7:OO P.M. Chairman Salentine stated that any resident at 578 W20516 Pasadena questioned the outlet on interested parties should contact his secretary, Cathie. A Gaffney. He wanted to know if it will be from Monterey to Hillendale and if sewer is going to be brought to the subdivision? Chairman Salentine responded that the sewer -= committee has asked him to negotiate with the developer to include the intercepter in the first phase. 0 Pg. 2, Plan Commission Minutes, 3/20/90 The city will have to talk to the developer about gravity and booster pumps through the Utilities Committee. There is a sewer gasadena will go to Racine Avenue -- there will he a "No Trucking" sign in this residential district. Mr. Hulbert talked about the multi-familv proposed. He would like to look at Mr. Patch's other developments. Chairman Salentine asked Mr. Patch to leave some information regarding these developments with his secretary, as he would like to look at them personally. Mr. Hulbert would like to look at the attached garages. Ellsworth Koch commented that he isn't for or against this development. The way he sees the layout, where you enter Pasadena, you would go right through his property. No one has talked to him. Chairman Salentine responded that this is the initial sketch. Mr. Patch responded that he has talked with Mr. Koch on the phone and that the layout would not impact him. Mr. James Rutegers, who lives on Pasadena asked what impact this development would have on the animal situation across the road. Mr. Patch said that it is very complicated--the homesteads would stay up but the livestock would be immediately removed. The pig barn would come down and in June or July all the barns would ,eo. Rruce RuergeK, who lives on Sunnyhill Drive has a home assessed by the city at $168,000 on 1/3 acre doesn't like the idea that his property is encircled with smaller lots. Mr. Patch responded that in * Pewaukee the houses in his development are between $350,000 and $180,000 to $200,000. Chairman Salentine commented that the site $600,000 -- the homes in his developments are no less than plan should address this issue. Alderman Taube questioned the with a P.U.D. you can do anything. Ald. Tauhe felt that they are resolution's zoning RS-3/0PD. Chairman Salentine responded that almost at a RS-2. Chairman Salentine responded that the Plan Commission is at a disadvantage without knowing the acres of County land. Another resident questioned the area in the triangle and what control Mr. Patch would have over it? Mr. Patch responded that he can't control the drainage--just removal of livestock and the pig barn. Mr. Hulbert commented that Mr. Patch doesn't have title to the land in the triangle and what would prevent him from having a cow or a pony? Chairman Salentine responded that first we take the financial guarantee for the improvements. Mr. Rutegers questioned the type of ornamental lighting. Ilould it be scattered, shielded, mercury vapor? Mr. Lee said the city has worked with the Electric Company to provide ornamental high pressure, sodium, shielded lighting. Tom Fellin on Janesville Road lives within 300' of the development and feels someone should look at the area south of him -- wetlands which will be affected by the zoning change. Are we setting a precedent? Mr. Patch responded that a majoritv of this land is in a wetland. and as a develouer he can't see it rohlem in Valley View Heights. Mr. Patch responded that being developed. * pg. 3, Plan Commission Minutes 3/20/90 a A resident also was concerned about the lighting of the proposed strip mall being a big glow. Mr. Patch responded that he will Mr. Hulbert commented that the Plan Commission has been somewhat provide sodium vapor lighting. businessman in the area commented that Janesville Road is a good careful about lighting approval. Terry Sindic, a resident and products to be seen. Another resident said that the idea of area to put commercial. A business has to have good lighting for being close to a business for convenience is crowding people's minds and he likes the open spaces. Keep the businesses without a commercial mall? Mr. Patch responded that he can't downtown. Another resident asked if the development would work answer that at this time. Mr. Fellin asked if he would have that answer in two weeks? Mr. Patch said he would. Mr. Sindic commented that this project would be good for the city and that this new commercial stip would help all business districts in the city. Mr. Hawes, a resident commented that we are out to develop for the sake of developing and he doesn't think we need apartments or a mall. He hopes from what he is hearing tonight isn't "cut and dried". Mr. Christianson, a resident commented that in the spirit of "free enterprise", the Parkland Mall has had enough tenure in Muskego. Most homeowners feel we should have a national chain to satisfy the needs of the people. People want a convenient place to shop. Chairman Salentine said the Plan Commission is hear tonight to discuss the rezoning, but what 0 he is hearing is discussion on the site plan, which will need Mangiamele to give his comments. Dr. Mangiamele stated that this approval at a later date. He asked the planner, Dr. Joe park land is a problem -- they have to look at the site plan, decision can be made. Chairman Salentine asked the commissioner layout. shopping center, traffic improvements, etc. before a if they would like to have the planner come back in two weeks? They responded they would. Mr. Bill Schneider, a resident on Westridge would have on this shopping center? Mr. Patch Ridge Road wanted to know what impact Moreland Road Extension and responded that Westridge would not be like a Southridge or Northridge, but one half its size. It will he needed as the population grows. Mr. Don Minen, a resident asked if they would have curb and gutter on Sunset? Chairman Salentine responded a job study completed before the next meeting? Mr. Patch that not on existing roads. Ald. Sanders asked if there could be responded that he could have an answer. Mr. Les Constantineau, a resident on Hickory Lane, stated that he has been a former alderman and Plan Commission member, and 13 to 14 years aEo a development called Wildflower tried to get approval. It retrospect he feels it would have been good for the area, but he helped stop it and made a mistake doing so. It is a good place etc. Another resident. Jason Aentley of Adrian Drive, responded for a mall because people are tired of running to Southridge, that he moved out here to hear the barking of dogs and feels it e is worth a drive to shop. Chairman Salentine commented that from .* pg. 4, Plan Commission Minutes 3/20/90 what he is hearing everytime this development is discussed, "I got mine and keep everyone else out". Mostly "new" lot purchasers are opposed. Mr. Joe Barak of Kingston Drive is all in favor of this development. At this point Chairman Salentine told the audience that if they wished to express their concerns, thev could write their alderman. Mrs. Marilyn Ruerger of Sunnyhill Drive expressed her opposition even though she has lived in Muskego half of her life -- what's the rush? Chairman Salentine responded that this is the first developer in a very long time to consider developing the whole 145 acres to try to solve the image problem. We have other small developments of 10 to 20 lots -- Bay Breeze is one of the biggest to help the image of Muskego. If we would not continue to make this viable to the developerr I do not see another developer coming forth to replace him -- I ve talked to 20 developers and everyone has walked away. The economic value must be there. We must secure a subdividers agreement --"piecemeal" isn't good. Ald. Taube expressed his request for a traffic count to be done at the peak hours on the corner of Janesville and Racine. The traffic study done wasn't comprehensive enough--just an average. Mr. Patch stated that more developments. Mr. Lee was requested by Ald. Taube to obtain this road is very capable of handling this development plus 5 or a department of transporation study or a peak traffic study by 0 Rector made a motion to defer this resolution until the next the Muskego Police Department before the next meeting. Mrs. meeting and Ald. Hilt seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to defer the resolution passed unanimously. In closing Chairman Salentine thanked all the people for comine, and informed them it will be on the agenda in two weeks. NEW BUSINESS: WI BELL-ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT FACILITY - The recording secretary read Resolution #P.C. 45-90, Approval of conditional use to allow an electronic equipment facility and driveway at W146 S7386 Durham Drive-Wisconsin Rell. At this point the Chairman requested that the commissioners take a recess at 8:lO P.M. There was a unanimous approval by a voice vote. The meeting reconvened at 8:20 P.M. Since the resolution was already read by the recording secretary, Mr. Hulbert moved to adopt the resolution and Mr. Raimann seconded. Chairman Salentine asked Mr. Lee how does this differ from a second garage structure? Mr. Lee said that only a 10' x 12' building could be there by right. The Plan Commission must approve because of its use. Stan Potrykus, as agent for facilities like this on N. Cape Road next to Gene's Club Wisconsin Bell was present and stated that there are other m Pg. 5, Plan Commission Minutes, 3/20/90 - Durham. Chairman Salentine suggested that the commissioner's be given a chance to look at this facility -- perhaps it should he back further? Stan didn't know at this time. He was requested deferred. Mr. Raimann asked Stan if this building could be set to call Cheryl, the recording secretary with the location of the building. Mr. Martin on Durham Drive stated that he is buy him a fence? Stan Potrykus responded that they are willing interested in privacy and would like to know if the utility would to do landscaping. Chairman Salentine asked Mr. Lee if the applicant came in with a second garage structure request, would it be granted? Mr. Lee responded that if the commissioners went out to look at this site, they would not want a second garage commented that this proposed structure should be staked out. structure there--it should be set back further. Mr. Potrvkus Chairman Salentine asked Stan if commercial vehicles would be using this property? He said they would. He commented that if it is not located on this property and on another, people will still he unhappy--there is a reason that Wisconsin Re11 has to have it within a certain area. At this point Mrs. Rector moved to defer this resolution to allow Stan to come up with alterntives and to view the site again. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to defer passed unanimously. FINAL PLAT-WOODCREST ADDITION NO. 1 - The recording ~* Woodcrest Addition #l-Harold De :!ck. Mr. Raimann moved for secretary read Resolution #P.C. -90, Approval of Final Plat for adoption and Mrs. Rector seconded. Stan Potrykus represented Mr. and the resolution passed unanimously. De Back. After a brief discussion, a roll call vote was taken BLDG., SITE & OPERATION PLAN-HAROLD DE BACK - The recording secretary read Resolution #P.C. 41 - 90 . Amroval of building, site h operation plan, W198 S10955 Racine Avenue-Harold De Back. Mr. Hulbert moved for adoption and Mr. Raimann seconded. Mr. Raimann asked if two buildings were to removed or if one structure would stay? Is the garage out of the picture? They will be down 30 days after the new structure is up Mr. De plan to the commissioners. Mr. De Back commented that it will he Back responded. Mr. Lee showed the building. site & operation a 2-story all brick structure with cedar wood and aluminum siding. The duplex will have one main door, so as to look like a single family dwelling--the second entrance will be alongside the garage. The square footage of the structure will be 3,200 square feet--first floor will have 1,140 square feet and the second 1,502 with a 566 square foot theraputic pool room. Mr. Hulbert asked Mr. De Back if he would do any landscaping? Mr. De Rack said he had no plans at this time, hut he would have a two level patio on the front and lake side. He olanted 5 bie everereens . .. ' Pg. 6, Plan Commission Minutes, 3/20/90 REZONE SW 114 OF SECTION 10-G. KOZEY - The recording ~ secretary read Resolution 1iP.C. 48 90 - , Denial to rezone property in the SW 114 of Section 10 from RSM to RSM/OPD. Mr. Hulbert moved for adoption and Mr. Raimann seconded. Chairman Salentine asked Mr. Lee what the allowable number of units would be? He responded 44 versus 48. There was some discussion concerning dedicating land to a future city park with a roadway. Stan Potrykus represented Mr. Kozey and explained the P.U.D. with Hulbert, a commissioner as well as member of the Park Board, the percent factor and roadway back to the park area. Mr. responded that the Park Board's tone was that not enough would be given and they chose to defer and not grant the request. Ald. Hilt, a Park Board member, was at the Park Board meeting also and felt that if the road was extended to the park, the contributions from the P.U.D. could be put in escrow for future layground equipment. Mr. Hulbert interjected that there wilf be a park there in the future. Stan Potrykus said that the cost of the Mr. Lee commented that you are dividing land. Mr. Hulbert said road is the reason for the dedication and access to the park. that Mr. Peter Theis was preparing cost estimates, which he didn't have at the last meeting -- sewer, water, curb and gutter. Stan Potrykus responded that he thought they were accomplishing something that the city would want. The Eiche property was also mentioned. The Park Roard wants to keep their certain amenities, but Mr. Kozev didn't talk about it. Mr. Raimann commented that a P.U.D. should give something more unique apartments. He asked Mr. Hulbert if the Park Roard has a plan than a road. Mr. Lee stated that they need the OPD for the extra for the park? Mr. Hulbert responded that they didn't at this time or have a timeframe. He asked Stan if he would like to Mr. Potrykus may attend, but he asked what is the Plan appear at the Park Board, which is the second Monday of April? Commission's feeling about the Park Board's permission? Chairman Salentine said they look for benefits to the park system. Since the Common Council Public Hearing will be held on March 27th, he recommendation. Mr. Hulbert made a motion to defer this felt there would be enough time for the Plan Commission's vote the motion to defer passed unanimously. resolution for two weeks. Ald. Hilt seconded. Upon a roll call 0 options open. The P.U.D. means that the development should have RLDG. h SITE PLAN-KELLEY DOOR SYSTEMS - The recording secretary read Resolution 1lP.C. 49-90. ADDrOVal of buildin2 and site plan for outdoor storage. W183 S8253'Racine Avenue. Mr. Hulbert moved for adoption and Ald. Hilt seconded. Mr. Matt Bushman was present to represent Kelley Door Systems. He stated feels it is screened as in the Rules of the Industrial Park. that they need this storage rack for tradeshow equipment and he There are crates 12' to 14' long, 5' wide and 3' or 4' hinh. Mr. treated as an accessory building. Mr. Raimann commented that he -* Lee stated that the rack has to be 40' from Gemini if it is .. pg. 7, Plan Commission Minutes, 3/20/90 still feels it is outside storage. Mr. Bushman was asked if he plans to replace the missing:pines? He responded that at this time they haven't considered it. Mr. Hulbert said he isn't in must provide the trees as it was part of the original site plan-- favor of it and he should come back with another plan. Also, he they are required. Mr. Bushman said maybe they could move the would still /be visible from Gemini. Chairman Salentine asked Mr. rack to the back behind the building? Mr. Lee responded that it Bushman if the rack had to he 21' high and whether it would be lower than the current eave height? He said it would he lower than the building and had to he high enough to provide screening. Mr. Raimann thought it would look better behind the building. Mr. Bushman stated that they would have to provide structural he come hack with a better site plan. Mr. Bushman asked for 4 footings, which would he more costly. Mr. Raimann suggested that weeks to prepare another site plan. Mr. Raimann made a motion to defer the resolution f,or 4 weeks and Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to defer for 4 weeks passed unanimously. AMENDED RLDG. PhNX3CHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS fi LAYOUT-RAY BREEZE CONDOS - The recording secretary read Resolution #P.C. 50 -of amended building plan architectrlral elevations - and layout of 6 unit condos-Bay"R;eeze. Mrs. Rector moved for adoption and Mr. Raimann seconded. Ms. Collette Giefer of Ray Breeze stated that this is a marketing request. The new plan same. The upstairs level is larger by 10'. The units are now 1,800 square feet with cathedral ceilings--all build.ings are on around currently used for construction will be sealed off? Lake Street-North. Mr. Hulbert questioned whether the "T" turn- Mrs. Rector mentioned that the Lake Association newsletter had an Collette responded that it will he sealed off for a lawn area. article concerning the DNR's permits for the shore and the with the DNR. Ald. Hilt asked her about the gravel on the removal of the rubble. Collette responded that they are working vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously. shore? She said they are working with the DNR. Upon a roll call LA shows the garages directly attached. The building setback is the CERTIFIED SURVEY MAP SW 114 OF SECTION 34-ROGER KASTELLO The recording secretary read Resolution f1P.C. 51-90, Approval of made a motion to adopt the resolution and Mrs. Rector seconded. certified survey map in the SW 114 of Section 34. Mr. Hulbert Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimouslv. TEMPORARY-GREENHOUSE, PICK 'N SAVE PARKING LOT - The recording secretary read Resolution j1P.C. 52-90, Approval of 21' Janesville Road-P. Ruszkiewicz & K. Sternis. Mr. Raimann made a x 48' greenhouse on the Pick 'n Save parking lot, S74 W17005 motion to adopt the resolution and Mr. Hulhert seconded. The City of Milwaukee. The material used for the greenhouse is a applicant stated that he operated a greenhouse last year in the wind-resistant plastic, and if it ripped would he replaced. pg. 8, Plan Commission Minutes, 3/20/90 There would not be any lighting involved and some of the plants would be displayed outside along with bags of topsoil. They intend to lock the greenhouse at night and have a securitv fence. A small delivery truck would bring supplies. The commissioners requested that they limit the amount of outside storage and selling of topsoil, etc. Mr. Raimann commented that now would be a good time to ask Mr. Lee what is going to be done with Pick 'n Save's orange fence, which has fallen down. Mr. Lee said he would have to issue a citation. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimouslv. CERTIFIED SURVEY MAP-CATS NATIONWIDE - The recording secretary read Resolution i1P.C. 53-90, Approval of certified survey map for 2.6 acres in the Industrial Park. Mr. Raimann moved for adoption and Mrs. Rector seconded. Mr. Raimann recommended that these new owners should follow the guidelines certified survey maps are before the Plan Commission to check the for trees and plantings. Chairman Salentine commented that these site frontage in the Industrial Park. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously. CERTIFIED SURVEY MAP-R. RAAR - The recording Secretary read Resolution #P.C. 54-90, Approval of certified survey map for 3 1/2 acres and sale of land in the Industrial Park. Mr. Hulhert moved for adoption and Ald. Hilt seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously. BLDG., SITE h OPERATION PLAN-AMERICAN HYDRAULICS - The recording secretary read Resolution f1P.C. 55 - 90 , Approval of bldg., site and operation plan for one acre parcel-Industrial Park Addn. American Hydraulics". Filocha. Mrs. Rector moved for adoption and Mr. Hulbert seconded. Mr. Filocha explained his business. Mr. Lee asked if the hydraulic rams would be off? Mr. Filocha said they would. There will be an attached office building. He will clean some of his parts outside on a slah sloped to a central drain. A comment was made that the building is under the size which requires sprinklers bv code. Mr. Lee percentage of masonrv on the building. The Plan Commission has stated that the code doesn't state a building have a certain approved other building fronts with other than masonrv. Mr. Filocha will have to come back with signage, lighting and landscaping. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously. USER FEE-LEGAL LOT DETERMINATION AND SECOND GARAGE STRUCTURE - The recording secretary read Resolution f1P.C. 56 Approval to amend Chapter 18, Section 10.8 of the land divis Code. Mr. Raimann moved for adoption and Ald. Hilt seconded code and Chapter 17 (zoning code), Section 6.12 of the Munic -90, ion ipal Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt passed unanimously pg. 9, Plan Commission M.inutes, 3/20/90 b!I%6ELUNEQUS BUSINESS: Plan Committee, reported that they had their third meeting last Comp Plan-Dottie Rector, a member of the Comprehensive week and there are some exciting plans to consider. Rank One-Dottie Rector discussed the Plan Commission's decision concerning Bank One's signs at the March 6th meeting and felt that it wouldn't have been a safety hazard with more signs. Mr. Hulbert said he had observed other Rank One signs and didn't feel that they had any problems with fewer sims. the property at S71 W13219 Tess Corners Drive and the need for another hearing if he wishes to continue the operation. Glockner-Mr. Lee brouEht the commissioners up-to-date on Landfill-Chairman Salentine informed the commissioners that they are waiting for legislation to be passed. FLOW-Chairman Salentine stated that the costs will vary from one community to another, but Muskego should have the biggest refund. He plans to attend the Comprehensive Plan Committee with a report on FLOW. ADJOURNMENT: Mr. Raimann made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 10:45 P.M. and Mrs. Rector seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to adjourn passed unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Cherylr Schmidt Recording Secretary I cs