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PCM19880405aa CITY OF MUSKEG0 PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES OF PLAN COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON APRIL 5, 1988. Mayor Wayne Salentine called the meeting to order at 8:15 P.M. PRESENT: Chairman Wayne Salentine, Edward Raimann, Darl Honl, Dr. Peter Parthum, Jack Schmidt, Jerald Hulbert, Alderman Mitchel Penovich, and Zoning Officer Gerald Lee. MINUTES Mr.Hon1 moved to approve the minutes of April 5, 1988. a correction and upon a voice vote the motion to approve carried Jack Schmidt seconded and the motion carried. Dr. parthum added unanimously. reviewed the preliminary plat for Durhamswood Addition #2 and site plan for Dandelion Park to answer any questions. Mayor Salentine introduced Dr. Mangiamele who had OLD BUSINESS: DURHAMSWOOD ADDITION #?-PRELIMINARY PLAT On the floor his report which addressed the concerns of the road layout as (deferred from April 5, 1988 meeting). Dr. Mangiamele reviewed 0 auestioned by the County Park and Planning Commission and city engineers. Waukesha County had recommended that Freedom Avenue be connected from the south and a road extended to connect to the unplatted land to the west, They also addressed the drainage to the proposed pond and the ownership of the pond. Dr. Manqiamele stated that from a planning standpoint access to Woods Road should be more direct. Right now Durhamswood Addition #1 traffic will have to go through Durhamswood Addition #2 to get to the main road. There has been a great deal of objection to a road connection to the south, and such objections on occasion overrule a planners recommendations. If the road should serve as service to the subdivisions the road should be as short as possible hut the prohlem is poor soils. The road could go around the soils as has been indicated with an area dedicated for the drainage pond. Two cul-de-sacs would only allow traffic designated for homeowners in the suhdivision. His recommendation would he to deny the plat as submitted. Dr. Parthum questioned the extension of Freedom Avenue to the north to Settler Way. Dr. Parthum division with only a three lot separation for connection to the indicated that it would not he feasible to have another road existing road. Dr. Mangiemelle indicated that residents collld ownership of the pond. Dr. Mangiamele deferred t the developers function without the road extension. Dr. Parthum questioned the with regard to the saleability of these lots hut Y- indicated gny member of the audience brought up Resolution f1P.C. 3-87 and the restrictions could be incorporated in deed restrictions. A minutes of January 13, 1987 where it is indicated that Freedom Avenue not be extended. The reasoning was April 19, 1988 PLAN COMMISSION - Page 2 that the homeowners along Freedom Avenue did not want the road to go through. They want limited traffic to the subdivision. Alderman Dumke stated that several years ago the Public Works Department turned down requests for the road to go through to Woods Road. Zoning Officer Lee stated that it was not mandated for the road to go through. Robert Klenz stated that the designated road now is on better soils and that the outlot has been a pond and drainage area for the last 20 years. The pond ownership would be the responsibility of the Homeowners Association with 30 homeowners involved and an annual fee set up for future maintenance. Mr. Klenz stated he would he willing to put in $15.000 into a fund for maintenance and if neglected the City could draw from this fund. Drainage plans are to drain the water to the east with an overflow. It would need approximately 50,000 yards of dirt at a cost of $1.00 a yard amounting to $50,000.00 to run the road throuEh the center of the proposed addition. Mayor Salentine noted that the developers agreement would allow the City to take the designated $15,000.00 and put in a drainage ditch for an outlet for the storm drainage. The pond is intended to stay at a certain height with a controlled overflow. The responsibility of the pond would he that of the 30 lots in the proposed addition plus a few surrounding lots. The contemplated depth of the pond is 10 feet. Dr. Mangiamele suggested that Plan Commission should review the landscaping maintenance. Zoning Officer Lee was concerned with the akae plans for the pond and include some contingency for when the pond was low. Mr. Raimann asked Mr. Klenz about the trees in the area of the pond. Mr. Klenz indicated the trees would be removed. Mr. Klenz indicated that the money in escrow along with an annual assessment of fees could be used to enhance the grounds and take care of the algae. Mr. Schmidt moved to add the word approval and to eliminate the whereas for the extension of Freedom Avenue. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to amend carried unanimously. Mayor Salentine suggested the developer resubmit or update the plan with the suggestions already mentioned. Mr. Hulbert moved to defer. Mr. of the first details developed so that the prospective owners Raimann seconded. Dr. Mangiamele suggested that the pond be one could view it. Mr. Klenz felt this was backwards. He suggested final plat with an agreeable document tying together the City and the approval could be conditioned prior to the approval of the homeowners association. Mayor Salentine questioned where the would run from the point at the edge of the outlet through the pond would drain to. Stan Potrykus indicated storm sewer pipe back of several lots, across the road, down a side lot line and across the property east of the pond to an easement and dump out into a ditch probably 400 feet east. Dr. Mangiamele stated this drainage easement should be indicated on the plat. Mr. Hulbert voiced his concern and stated that future buyers should know all about this pond, location, etc. Dr. Mangiamele addressed the road layout and cul de sacs. Mr. Potrykus indicated the road is PLAN COMMISSION - Page 3 April 19, 1988 now designed on the best soils available in the area. Robert Klenz said he could go no further at this time and is asking for preliminary plat approval. Upon a roll call vote the motion to defer was defeated with Dr. Parthum, Mr. Raimann, and Mr. Hulbert casting assenting votes. Mr. Schmidt moved to amend the resolution and change the third whereas to add, ..." and landscaping plans will be submitted on the final plat". The fourth whereas will be changed to, "WHEREAS, Provisions will he made for the maintenance of this outlet." The fifth whereas will he changed to, "WHEREAS. An engineers report indicating that utility and storm drainage easements and drainage will he provided for." Mr. Hulhert seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to amend carried unanimously. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt Resolution #P.C. 41-88 (as amended) carried unanimously. SITE/BUILDING PLANS-DANDELION PARK-INGERSOLL The Recording Secretary read the revised Resolution #P.C. 50-88, Approval-of Site/Building Plans - Dandelion Park-Ingersoll. Mr. Honl moved for adoption. Alderman Penovich seconded. Dr. Mangiamele read his report to the Plan Commission. Mr. Ingersoll submitted his plans for review at this time. The changes made garbage disposal has been added 2) Greater detail of landscaping since Dr. Mangiamele's review are 1) Outside lighting and in sizes of bushes and trees. The first plan showed the end north edge of the property touching Park Drive. The current plan units getting access off of Lake Drive. Access is now along the now shows the road access point further south approximately 200 Landscaping has been increased along Park Drive. In response to feet the buildings moved inward to maintain the 50' setback. the meeting with Park and Rec a tennis court has been added which includes a basketball hoop area at one end. An area along Muskego Restaurant would have a bicycle path, not a sidewalk, and Janesville Road and from the entry point on Park Drive down to would not require shoveling in the winter months. The path inside the area would also be determined to be a hicyle path and horseshoe road and internal bicycle path. The orginal plan both pathways would be asphalted. Lighting is provided for the called for 74 boat slips on the private side, going into the lake in excess of 100'. That structure has been reduced to 60 boat slips encompassing a wider area on the heach an extends out 65'. This will impact more of the beach area hut will impact less of the residents along the lake. The semi private pier has been reduced to 36 piers and would he used strictly for people on the lake coming to the restaurant/mixed use facility. The launch on the mixed use is intended to be a private launch to facilitate the people in the condominum association and have a guarded entrance available at limited hours. The launch would be the contact during the day and he/she would allow access to the responsibility of one person that the residents would have to lake. After that the ?ate would be locked. The boat facility PLAN COMMISSION - Page 4 April 19, 1988 would handle approximately 40 boats. The balance of the residents would have to find their own storage facility; boats pavillion were provided. Seven single family dwellings have been cannot be parked in the driveway. Proposed plans for the proposed for the west end of the property; three with direct access to the lake. The original Masterson home will be in the down. Signage has not been decided hut have named the pro.iect commercial area; the structure will either he restored or torn go into the lake. After grading the entire site will be seeded Bay Breeze. The civil engineers have assured that no silt will to ensure erosion control. Phase 1 would be buildings 1 through 7. The main entrance off of Janesville Road will be constructed and the asphalt terminated; the remainder of the project would be a grassy area. The earth will be at final grade hut base rock, curb and gutter will not be installed until phase I1 begins. The roads will be non dedicated and built to City specifications. The floor plans for the four family and six family were submitted. The living space takes into consideration the view of the lake. The buildings are spaced strategically so that they can see between the buildings to the common areas and lake. All units have two family garages. The four family will be two bedroom, two and one half baths, approximately 1750 square feet; entrance from garage located in front. The end units can he floor with bath or enlarged to a full master bedroom on the first square feet. Interior units have 10' tall ceilings in living floor with second master bedroom on second floor; estimated 2100 room, not cathedral ceilings. The six family units have glass Garages are located on the end of these units. The end units can facing the interior road and the porches face Janesville Road. he increased to three bedrooms, all bedrooms on the second floor by increasing space over the garages, approximately 2000 square feet. A locked facility restroom will he provided for residents only and maintained by the association. The 85 lot parking area boat storage facility will match the buildings. is for employees for the office building and restaurant. The John Marenda questioned the marketing done on the project. Mr. Inaersoll indicated the 2100 square foot units would approach $lSO,OOO. The standard two bedroom 1700 square foot units would be approximately $133,000. Multi-level research has been done and based upon present market value of single family homes in Muskego plus an analysis based upon other condominium projects on the market priced so that the project would be feasible and saleable without the added attraction of the lake. A member of the audience questioned the boat storage and was told the storage would come on a first come first served basis. Mr. Mil Vidal addressed the number of piers and impact on the lake, the boat slips be considered instead of 60 for the condos, phase 1 - 32 units, phase 2 - 42 units with 20 piers allocated for phase 1 and 0 expanded to a three bedroom unit, a guest bedroom on the first 1 landing, and siltration and soil erosion. He requested that 50 I PLAN CoMt~IssIm - Page 5 April 19, 1988 be okay but should he controlled along with the control of the 30 piers for phase 2. He felt 36 slips for the restaurant would boat launch. He felt the upheaval of 231 tons of dirt should he question of what impact this development will have on the lake controlled very carefully. Mary Bichanich, addressed the and the citizens of Muskego now and in future years. She indicated that guidelines for quality use and safety for all could be estahlished to accomodate as many boats on the lake as safely as possible. The configurations provided indicate that SEWRPC offers 16 boat slips, DNR offers 26 slips and Waukesha County offers 21 slips. Her concern was that the boat launch would bring in more boat traffic further diminishing the quality of use and safety for all. SECJRPC would assist the City in developing regulations. Bob LeMaster questioned whether the condo owners not purchasing a hoat slip would be allowed to put be feasible. Mr. Hulbert discussed the overuse of Idle Isle. He in their own boat pier. Mr. Ingersoll indicated this would not indicated that the next park and rec meeting will address the parking spaces now available for vehicles and trailers on Idle issue of eleminating any boat launching beyond the available Isle (18 trailer spaces). Another issue would he to move the running. Park h Rec has no objection to the private launch. launch or not being able to load the boats with the motor @ Kathy Wentland questioned the placement of the boat launch. Mr. standpoint. He didn't want the launch in the park area or Ingersoll stated it was better controlled from the office automobile traffic in this area. She questioned the guarantees that would be provided against public launching. Mr. Ingersoll indicated this quarantee would be part of the deed restrictions. Joan Jurgen asked the Plan Commission to give the Lake Association a plan for a 500 acre lake, piers, launches, etc. Frances Burgeson cautioned the Plan Commission to review the impact of this development on the lake. She hoped the Plan the size of the project. the development of the beach area, and plan for the lake. The boat launch would need permission from Commission would make use of SEWRPC and DNR for coming up with a DNR because the launch would touch the bottom of the lake which whether the density of the Ingersoll project was a prohlem. Mr. is under their jurisdiction. Mr. Honl questioned Mr. Vidal Vidal stated it was not the problem of density but the problem of safety on the lake. Mrs. Bichanich questioned Dr. Mangiamele's remark about the hoat launch. Dr. Mangiamele stated that if the stated he had not addressed the lake problem and that lake launch was not there it would not need to he controlled. He and not the access to the lake. Mrs. Renner stated the control would need to be addressed as to how the lake was used association was happy with the land development but were a little unhappy with the lake problem. Mayor Salentine stated the PUD 0 was all encompassing and deals with site and operational plans and this deals with piers, potential controlled launching, and the beach area. Dr. Mangiamele stated the Plan Commission could m PLAN COMMISSION - Page 6 April 19, 1988 establish the number of boat piers, etc. Mr. Hulbert brought up sloping the land away from the lake. Mr. Ingersoll stated the silt traps would control the silt and excess other than what the grass can absorb from going into the lake. Dr. Parthum agreed that this development was the focal point for the City of Muskego but felt that a full scale plan for the lake would be a difficult undertaking and felt the developer has met the concerns of the community. Alderman Taube mentioned that the DNR takes the attitude that the amount of access to the lake is a local concern. He suggested the number of boat launches for the lake was more than adequate at the time of development of Idle Isle per DNR. Mayor Salentine suggested that the Safety Committee acquire the background from SEWRPC and DNR for the public hearing units that are proposed for public access to the lake and the as to what is the requirement today with the number of homes and formula be reviewed so that the Park Board could review access limitation. Mr. Marenda suggested that an environmental impact study be done. Mr. Ingersoll stated that a feasibility report is available. Dr. Mangiamele stated that his report is very positive to the development. He stated the main concern is the control of and use of the lake. The state does not permit the City to control the access; at some point the State will designate that lakes are overcrowded. He stated he didn't believe this particular pro-ject can depend on how the lake problem is dealt with. Mayor Salentine had wanted to go through the booklet and review the plans as prepared. The engineer had previously had the resolution removed from the April 5, 1988 agenda without Mr. Ingersoll's knowledge and this is the first time this has been presented to the Plan Commission. Mr. Schmidt moved to defer. Dr. Parthum seconded. Data will be gathered suggested that the Park h Rec Board come up with the from SEWRPC and DNR to facilitate this resolution. Mr. Schmidt Muskego Lake and this input can be relayed to the Plan recommendations for control of boat usage, control, etc to Little Commission. Mr. Ingersoll's attorney urged that site preparation and demolition work needs to be done as soon as possible to enter the project. Upon a roll call vote the motion to defer carried into a construction contract and is crucial to the economics of with Mr. Honl casting a dissenting vote. The Plan Commission took a recess. i NEW BUSINESS : CERTIFIED SURVEY MAP-TOWN OF WATERFORD The Recording Secretary read Resolution #P.C. 51 - 88 , Approval of Certified Survey Map - Neil Westerdahl Estate - Town of Waterford. Mr. Hulbert moved for adoption. Dr. Parthum seconded. Upon a roll .. I (. call vote the motion to adopt carried unanimously. I RESOLUTION fjP.C.52-88 - Removed from agenda. PLAN COMMISSION - Page 7 April 19, 1988 SKETCH-LAND DIVSION-BAAS'GROVE ADDITION The Recording Secretary read Resolution #P.C. 53 - 88 , Approval of Sketch-Land Divsion-Baas' Grove Addition-Bay Lane Place. Mr. Schmidt moved for adoption. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a roll Call vote the motion to adopt carried unanimously. SALE-CITY OWNED LOT-SILVERfRUBY DRIVE The Recording Secretary read Resolution #P.C. 54-88, Approval of Sale of City Owned Property in the NW 1/4 Section 4 - Silver/Ruby Drive. Mr. Hulbert moved for adoption. Mr. Schmidt seconded. Discussion followed. Mr. Schmidt indicated that this was not a buildable lot. Zoning Officer Lee clarified the map indicating the correct streets. Mayor Salentine suggested that this be deferred until the Park Board had given their recommendation. Mr. Honl moved to defer carried unanimously. defer. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to 2ND GARAGE STRUCTURE-HORRMANN The Recording Secretary read Resolution #P.C. 55-88, Architectural Approval 2nd Garage Structure-Horrmann-S77 W15483 Woods Road. Dr. Parthum moved for Mr. Horrmann already has one pole building for storage on his adoption. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Larry Schweitzer stated that property and a total of six outbuildings on a five acre parcel in a residential area. Mr. Hulbert moved to defer. Dr. Parthum seconded. The Plan Commission will need to know what is being stored, the eave height and a picture showing construction design. Upon a voice vote the motion to defer carried unan imous ly . #P.C. 56-88. ADDroval of TemDorarv Fireworks Stands. Mr. Schmidt FIREWORKS STANDS The Recording Secretary read Resolution moved for adop pi ion. Mr. Raimann seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt carried unanimously. BLDGISITE PLAN-WIZA INDUSTRIES The Recording Secretary read Resolution #57-88, Approval of Building ?i Site Plan-Wiza Industries-Industria1 Park. Mr. Raimann moved for adoption. Mr. Honl seconded. The drainage problem has not been resolved. Wiza west side of this property to protect the other property Industries wants the City to provide a drainage ditch along the owners. A representative in the audience explained that the pond property. Mr. Wiza has paved the area between the two buildings is located in lot #3 and drains to the south across Mr. Wiza's to control the moisture at the existing buildings on Gemini Drive. The problem is that where the proposed parking lot is situated the water drains southwesterly and is bothersome to the people occupying the corner lots. He's suggesting that a properties to the west. It does not affect Mr. Wiza's drainage swale could be built between this property and the buildings. It was suggested that Mr. Wiza grant the right to have the swale put in and that Mr. Deringer has the " PLAN COMMISSION - Page 8 April 19, 1988 going on his property. Mr. Hulbert moved to amend the resolution responsibility of putting a drain swale to stop the water from to provide a drainage swale on the south and east lot line." Mr. to add, "BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That permission will be granted Raimann seconded. Upon a voice vote the motion to amend the resolution carried unanimously. The proposed parking lot will accomodate parking behind the buildings. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt Resolution #P.C. 57-88 (as amended) carried unanimously. BLDG/SITE PLAN-JOHNSON PATTERN CO. The Recording Secretaryr - , Approval of Building & Site Plan - Johnson Pattern Co.-Lot 2 Block 3 Industrial Park Addition #l. Mr. Schmidt moved for adoption. Mr. Hulbert will be no outside storage. Lighting will be placed on the east seconded. The sign will be applied for at a later date. There and south of the building. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt carried unanimously. BLDG/SITE PLAN-CUSTOM WIRE ASSEMBLIES The Recording Secretary read Resolution #PC. 59-88, Approval of Building & Site Plan - Custom Wire Assemblies-S81 W19150 Apollo Dr. Mr. Raimann the audience explained they were furnishing a metal panel similar to the existing building; the color is dark bronze. The parking drainage flow. The parking will be to the easement line and is increased with additional asphalt and redesigning of the carried unanimously. around the building. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt moved for adoption. Mr. Honl seconded. A representative from TEMPORARY SIGN The Recording Secretary read Resolution 1lP.C. 60-88, Approval of Temporary Sign-Green Up Muskego Week. roll call vote the motion to adopt carried unanimously. Dr. Parthum moved for adoption. Mr. Hulbert seconded. Upon a RESOLUTION #P.C. 61-88 - Removed from agenda. SKETCH-LAND DIVISION-DERACK The Recording Secretary read Resolution #P.C. 62 - 88 . ~~~roval of Sketch-Land Division-DeBack- ~~~~~~~ ~ ~ ~ SW 1/4 Section 21. Mr: Hbil moved for adoption. Mr. Schmidt acres at one time. Dr. Parthum was in favor of deed restrictions seconded. Alderman Taube questioned developing the whole 19 limiting further land divisions for these large lots. The area is conducive to large lots. R1 zoning would not allow this three acre parcel to be redivided. Mr. DeBack indicated he took tests on the 15 acres and could only pass two mound systems. The buyer has an option on the remaining 12 acres. Upon a roll call vote e the motion to adopt carried unanimously. CERTIFIED SURVEY MAP-SCHWABENLENDER The Recording Secretary read Resolution #P.C. 63 - 88 , Approval of Certified Survey Map-Schwabenlender-SW 114 Section 3. Mr. Schmidt moved for adoption. Mr. Hulhert seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt carried unanimously. CERTIFIED SURVEY MAP-WAUER The Recording Secretary read Resolution #P.C. 64 - 88 . A~~roval of Certified Survev Mao-Wauer-NE . 1 /4 Section 16. Mr. Honl moved for adoption. Mr. Raimann seconded. Upon a roll call vote the motion to adopt carried unanimously. ADJOURNMENT: Mr. Raimann moved to adjourn at 12:20 P.M. Mr. Schmidt seconded and the motion carried. Respectfully submitted, Diane Winsor/Lynne Sweet Recording Secretaries