PCM19680422CITY PIAN COMMISSION
CITY 01: MUSKEG0
MINUTES OF MEETING HELD APRIL 22, 1968
CITY HALL
Secretary Chase called the meeting to order at 8:02 P. M. in the
absence of Mayor Wieselmann.
m?Angelis, Alderman Frank Narlock and Ed Raimann. Plan Consul-
PRESENT: William F. Chase, Sec'y, Willard Bertram, Charles Buehler,
tant Rllssell Knetzger was also present. Mayor Wieselmann arrived at
8: P. M. and Building Inspector Lee arrived at 9:OO P. M.
MINUTE:;: The minutes of the previous meetings, March 19, 1968, and
April .i6, 1968, were approved as mailed.
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PERSONAL APPEARANCES
CLARENCE BAAS - Mr. & Mrs. Baas, S67 W17236 Martin Drive, and
SurveFmmmerman, Waukesha, appeared and submitted a
preliminary plat for Kirkwood Manor Add. #1, which had been pre-
pared .by Surveyor Zimmerman April 16, 1968.
would be served by sewer would be developed at the present time and
that three zoning districts were involved in the subdivision. It
appearkd that there were some complications in the layout which could
be resilved by the Plan Consultant and Surveyor Zimmerman.
Mr. Buehler moved to refer this preliminary plat to Plan Consul-
tant Knetzger for review and recommendation. Mr. DeAngelis seconded
the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
Tile Commission reviewed the plat noting that only the lots which
ameared in regard to his reauest that Lots 5 & 6. Block 1, Meadow-
WADOWDALE SUBDIVISION - Mr. Gerald Fohr, W175 S7115 Lake Drive,
daie SLbdivision, be declared legal lots. At the.March 4th meeting,
this request and the request of Mr. & Mrs. Les Fohr, W171 S7178 Lannon
Drive,,that all remaining lots in Meadowdale Subdivision be declared
legal lots in view of the advent of sewers, was referred to the City
Engineer to determine necessary and possible storm drainage easement
areas.
from the City Engineer:
"Gentlemen:
flow w;i11 be through Parkland Plaza, thru channel and lagoon to Little
lates to Parkland Plaza Development indicated that the pattern of
Muskego Lake. Please refer to development plan on file for Parkland
Plaza brepared by H. C. Webster & Son for this verification.
betwee? Lots 9 and 10 or between Lots 10 and 11, all in Block 4 of
of Meacowdale for future drainage to the east. This easement should
be a m.,inimum of 20' wide (10' on each lot).
storm sewer could provide drainage to the west or south.
Mr. Chase read the following communication dated April llth, 1968,
FLrther study of subject subdivision drainage problem as it re-
We recommend that the City procure a drainage easement preferably
In the event the Parkland Area drainage should be changed, a
/s/ F. J. Ruekert"
April 22, 1968 Page 2 - Plan Comm.
suggested as well as the Meadowdale Subdivision plat. In answer to
the Commission, Mr. Fohr advised that he did not think his father,
Les Fohr, would have any objections to the drainage easements as
suggested. Mr. Bertram pointed out that there would be a drainage
problem to the north of the subdivision and after discussion, Mr.
Chase moved to refer Meadowdale Subdivision drainage back to City
Engineer Ruekert for clarification of the drainage problem which
would exist to the north of this subdivision. Mr. Bertram seconded
the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
The Commission reviewed the Parkland Plaza drainage plan as
indicating the division of Parcel 5 on Lake Dr. in the NE% of Sec.
9, which had been prepared by Surveyor R. C. Hardie, April 4, 1968.
to approval by the city engineer. Mr. Narlock seconded the motion
and the motion carried unanimously.
GERALD FOHR - Mr. Fohr then submitted a certified survey map
Mr. Chase moved to accept this certified survey map subject
JERRY GOEHRING - Mr. Goehring, 3933 S. Elm Dr., New Berlin,
from 4181 S. 76th St., Greenfield, to Lot 15, Block 3, Bay Shore
appeared seeking architectural approval to move an existing dwelling
Estates, this lot abutting Racine Ave.
well as a plat of survey which showed the proposed placement of the
The Commission reviewed photographs of the home to be moved as
house on the lot.
with picture window to the rear of the home, that it was not his
plained that it was his intention to construct an exposed basement
intention to move the existing garage, that the existing home is
28' x 44' and additions to the home will include a 14' x 16' family
room and a 14' x 22' attached garage which will bring the floor
be agreeable if the Commission would stipulate a time limit in which
area up to the requirement in this RS-2 District, and that he would
the house must be moved.
patibility with the surrounding area, Mr. Chase moved to grant this
Greenfield to Bay Shore Estates subject to the condition that it
request for architectural approval to move an existing home from
will have a basement, that it will have the additions as indicated
on the plat submitted and that this home be moved during 1968.
Mr. Raimann seconded the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
In answer to questions from the Commission, Mr. Goehring ex-
After discussion of the appearance of the house and its com-
JACK GLOCKNER - Mr. Glockner, S71 W13219 Tess Corners Drive,
appeared with his surveyor, Ronald Zimmerman, and submitted three
topographical studies which included a topographical survey of
the Glockner property, graveling operation limits, and restored
site, all of which had been prepared by Surveyor Zimmerman March,
1968. An aerial photograph of Section 12 was also submitted.
In answer to questions from the Commission, Mr. Glockner
advised that he would use fill from excavation including perhaps
placed at the bottom of the pit, that he would be agreeable to
sewer excavation when restoring, that the junked cars would be
step by step restoration.
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a Mayor Wieselmann reminded Mr. Glockner that he had agreed to remove the junked cars south of the private road by June 1st and that
the Commission would inspect the property on or about that date. Mr.
Glockner advised that most of these cars had been removed.
plan to the City Engineer for review and recommendation and to
establish a performance bond if necessary. Mr. Narlock seconded the
motion and the motion carried unanimously.
Discussion followed resulting in the following motion: Mr.
Chase moved to request the Planner and City Attorney to review this
extractive operation to determine if it is legal non-conforming or
conditional use grant. Mr. Buehler seconded the motion and the
motion carried unanimously.
Mr. DeAngelis then moved to submit Mr. Glockner‘s restoration
mitted sketches for a 4 parcel land division of the Richard Markeraf
BEIERLE-MARKGRAF - Mr. Dave Beierle, Agent, appeared and sub-
property on Union Church- Drive, SWk, Sec. 34.
District requirement is 3 acre lots. Mr. Beierle advised the
The Commission reviewed the sketches noting that Agriculture
Commission that Parcel B & C were 3 acres in size and that Parcel
A was 3.7 acres, Parcel D consisted of the remainder of the 40 acres.
granted approval to Mr. Markgraf for a fish and wild game pond on
his property in September, 1966.
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Building Inspector Lee pointed out that the Plan Commission had
Mr. Buehler moved to approve the sketch submitted and that the 0 Commission will be receptive to a preliminary plat and certified
survey map. Mr. Chase seconded the motion and the motion carried
unanimously.
BEIERLE-MILLARD - As concerns Mrs. Lorrete Millard’s request for
Knetzger reviewed the following recommendation from Nelson & Assoc.
a 4 parcel division of her property on Racine Ave. in Sec. 16, Planner
dated April 12, 1968:
“Gentlemen:
At your meeting of March 19, 1968, our firm was authorized to
prepared a “suitable alternate layout“ for a subdivision of that
portion of the Millard property and related lands in Section 16 affected
by the parkway road shown on the adopted city general plan and also on
the adopted official road width map.
We are submitting herewith two possible division schemes for your
consideration. One layout holds to the RS-2 zoning minimum lot size
of 20,000 square feet and 110 feet of minimum average width. The
Lowland District zoning is presumed to follow the area of poor soils
as noted on the layout, and therefore does not interfere in this case
with the RS-2 development. Including the three existing residences
in the study area, 42 lots were produced in a total study area of about
accordance with a sketch by the Division of Highways received March 5,
30 acres. The layout presumes a vacation of a portion of CTH “Y“ in
1968.
The second layout was produced to overcome two deficiencies of the
first design. The first layout backs the lots against CTH “Y“ in a
first layout also places a row of lots downhill of the proposed new
uniform row, which is less desirable than an irregular grouping. The
street,.toward the drainage creek. This complicates sanitary sewers by forcmg extra installation depth in that street, and also exposes
each lot individually to the hazards of the creek for children.
The second layout of 43 lots avoids these problems by moving the
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April 22, 1968
proposed street as close to the creek as the soils will allow. The
lots are then grouped uphill of the street on landscaped courts.
These court groupings, which protect the individual home site from the
conflict of through traffic volume, also create the varied pattern of
home groupings desired against a major artery. Architectural approval
of the rear of such buildings is less critical than in the case of a
perfectly straight line-up along the highway, though architectural
review is still recommended.
square feet is necessary to achieve the design, but the reduction in
lot size is completely compensated for by the area of park that would
be created. The creek is still accessible to children, but only by
those old enough to cross the road without adults.
In the second layout, an alternate design for the intersection of
old CTH “Yrr and the northwesterly relocation is shown. This alternate
increases the distance from the intersections of the parkway road and
the relocation junction from the 420 feet in the first layout, to 650
This is done in recognition of the potential for such uses at a major
feet. In addition, two corner sites for service stations are created.
intersection of this sort. The southeasterly site provides front
facing facade as a screen to four of the residential lots. The north-
westerly site could also be enlarged to become a church or other
institutional location.
new “Y“ are apparent to the Commission, a formal request for its
consideration should be submitted to the district office of the State
Division of Highways.
A slight clustering of the lots from 20,000 square feet to 15,000
If the merits of the relocation of the intersection of old and
Respectfully submitted,
NELSON & ASSOC.“
The Commission reviewed and discussed the two possible division
his preference for the RS-3 layout.
schemes submitted with the recommendation. Planner Knetzger indicated
old and new Hiway “Y“ at the location shown on the schemes.
state, he did not think they would accept the intersection of the
Planner Knetzger advised that this recommendation and the schemes
had been submitted to the state for their review.
Mr. Chase moved that the Plan Commission request the state to
by the Planner and to give the City a written opinion after their
review and consider the plans and recommendation submitted to them
consideration. Mr. DeAngelis seconded the motion and the motion
carried unanimously.
Mr. Beierle advised that, in view of his conversations with the
map submitted by Gilbert Schaefer, W127 S8929 N. Cape Rd.. for a 1.50
GILBERT SCHAEFER - The Commission reviewed a certified survey
acke parcel in the NE% of Sec. 24.abutting N. Cape kd. It was noted
by the Commission that the survey had been corrected in accordance with
City Engineer Ruekert’s recommendation of April 17, 1968. It was also
noted that satisfactory percolation tests had been submitted although
they were not available for review.
Schaefer. Mr. DeAngelis seconded the motion and the motion carried
unanimously.
Mr. Chase moved to accept this certified survey map for Gilbert
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HAROLE SWANTO - Mr. Swanto appeared and submitted an architectural
sketch as well as plans, elevations and details for the proposed addi-
April 6, 1968.
tion to the Muskego Nursing Home, same prepared by Foss-Jansma, Inc.,
Swanto explained that if he would have a hip roof constructed over the
Planner Knetzger questioned the flat roof on the addition and Mr.
addition it would necessitate that he install an additional sprinkler
system (fire prevention) in the attic which would be created, thus a
considerable saving of money by having the flat roof. He also pointed
out that the architect preferred the flat roof affect.
for the purpose of an addition to the Muskego Nursing Home subject
Mr. Bertram moved to approve the expansion of conditional use
to the condition that Mr. Swanto maintain the retaining wall and that
he provide screening for the garbage cans such as a basketweave fence
or that they be moved to a different location. Mr. Chase seconded
the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
RICHARD STEINGRAEBER - Mr. Steingraeber, Franklin, appeared to
discuss how the DrODOSed Waukesha Countv BV-DaSS will affect any
building plans he might have on a parcei he bwns on College Ave:
in the NW$ of Section 3. The Commission reviewed a map showing the
proposed by-pass route and it was determined that it would cross his
property as presently proposed. It was the Commission's decision to
check with the state as to when the actual, final route will be estab-
lished and Mr. Chase moved to request the State Highway Commission to
forward the latest status on the Waukesha County By-pass route. Mr.
Buehler seconded the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
Planner Knetzger advised that in accordance with legal opinions
cipality to reserve property for freeway routes.
relating to similar situations, it would not be sensible for a muni-
affect the proposed extension of Muskego Dam Rd. will have on his
property - Lot 1, Posbrig's Plat, Sec. 32.
prepared by Nelson & Assoc. April 21, 1968, and Planner Knetzger
April 22, 1968:
reviewed the following recommendation also prepared by Nelson & Assoc.
"Gentlemen:
meeting after an appearance by Mr. John Allison, who owns Lot 1 at
to be in the path of the Muskego Dam Road extension, and he therefore
the north end of Posbrig's Plat, Section 32. Mr. Allison's lot appears
requested the Commission to clarify the location of the extension
with respect to his lot.
east-west half section line of Section 32. His lot is 132 feet wide,
north to south. Typically, section and half section roads such as
that in this case the road is off center toward the south. This means
that as much as 60 feet of the proposed 80 foot right-of-way for this
of the lot (72 feet) is too shallow to be buildable.
road extension would fall on the Allison lot. The remaining portion
JOHN ALLISON - Mr. Allison, Milwaukee, appeared in regard to the
The Commission reviewed an "Extension Study - Muskego Dam Rd.'!
The above matter was referred to our office at your March 19, 1968,
Mr. Allison's survey shows that his north lot line is also the
Muskego Dam Road lie right on the section lines, but it would appear
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April 22, 1968
Only if the extension of Muskego Dam Road were bent northward
might it be possible to avoid making the lot unbuildable. We investi-
gated this possibility by studying the topography, soils, and property
lines west to Racine Avenue (CTH "I"'). We concluded that an extension
along the half section line, which is also the property line between
the Posbrig and DeBack farms, is probably the best route. On this
basis the amount of land left on the Allison lot, even with a slight
curve to center the road on the property line, would still be insuffi-
cient. As a result of the above study, we would recommend to the Plan
Commission that it advise the Building Inspector to hold up applications
to build on the lot until the Common Council decides whether to purchase
the lot for future right-of-way.
Respectfully submitted,
NELSON & ASSOC."
In answer to questions from the Commission, Mr. Allison advised
that he would like the City to purchase the lot, that he had recently
lost a chance to sell the lot for $1400 due to the road extension plans,
that he had purchased the lot in June, 1967, for $1000.
lot had averaged over "60". Mr. Buehler suggested that if the City
did purchase the lot perhaps the piece remaining after the road had
been constructed could be sold to an adjacent property owner.
After discussion Mr. Chase moved to refer this matter to the
City should purchase this lot and that the Building Inspector be instructed
Public Works Committee to make recommendation as to whether or not the
to withhold any building permits on this parcel pending their decision.
Mr. Raimann seconded the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
It was noted by the Commission that the percolation tests on the
that itisention to sell all but the commercial portion of the
Parkland Plaza shopping center complexity and requested if the status
in relationship to the city would remain the same for the buyer and
would be limited. There was discussion as to whether or not the
also questioned if the number of building permits issued in one year
multiple family dwellings could be built and the Recording Secretary
commercial portion of the development must be in existence before the
was directed to check the minutes.
the relationship between Parkland Plaza and the City of Muskego still
will be bound by the same planned development that the Parkland Plaza
stands as in 1964, and as amended, and that any subsequent purchaser
representatives had presented. Alderman Narlock seconded the motion
and the motion carried~unanimously.
proposed subdivision should be limited per year, also taking into
consideration the number of new pupils which could be enrolled in the
be contacted to determine how many additional children could be
school in a year. Alderman Narlock suggested that the school board
. Mr. Raimann then moved that a Parkland Plaza representative and
handled.in the present system.
a Kllps representative be requested to appear at the next meeting to
discuss proposed subdivision development. Mr. Buehler seconded the
motion and the motion carried unanimously.
PARKLAEP) PLAZA - Mr. John Couture appeared and advised the Commission
After discussion Mr. Chase moved that Mr. Couture be advised that
Discussion ensued as to whether or not building permits for a
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prepared by Waukesha Land Surveys for Peter Vermote, W175 S6995
Hiawatha Drive, combining three nonconforming parcels on Hiawatha
Drive, (Lots 11, 12 & 13, Block 9, Muskego Shores Subdivision)
into two conforming parcels, to be known as Parcel A & Parcel B.
Narlock seconded the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
PETER VERMOTE - The Commission reviewed a certified survey map
Mr. Chase moved to approve this certified survey map. Alderman
garage structure at W188 S10811 Kelsey Drive, it was noted that there
KARL KOSS - In regard to Mr. Koss' request to construct a second
had been no objections received from adjacent property owners.
Lure be granted. Mr. Bertram seconded the motion and the motion
Mr. DeAngelis moved that this request for a second garage struc-
carried unanimously.
HAROLD DE BACK - The Commission reviewed the revised certified
survey map for the proposed 2 parcel division of Mr. DeBack's property
in Section 29; however, did not take action as the City has not as
yet been guaranteed that the road will be constructed.
INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE - BUTCHER-IMME - The Commission
reviewed petitions for rezoning approximately 52 acres of property
in Section 2 bounded by Tess Corners Drive, College Ave., north of
Janesville Road from RS-2 to 1-1 submitted by the Industrial Develop-
Ada Butcher for a conditional use grant on property adjacent to the
ment Committee. The Commission also reviewed the request of Mrs.
proposed industrial site for location of the Howard Imme trucking and
warehousing business. It was the Commission's feeling that the
industrial zoning would be more desirable in which to place the Imme
Trucking and Warehousing business.
Council that the Plan Commission endorses the Industrial Development
Committee's petition to rezone approximately 52 acres of land in
the NE% of Section 2 from RS-2 to 1-1 and that the Ada Butcher property,
presently under consideration for conditional use grant for the Imme
Trucking and Warehousing business also be included in this petition.
(5.50 acres). Mr. Chase seconded the motion and the motion carried
unanimously.
Planner Knetzger pointed out that boundaries of the industrial
rezoning must be established in crder that the people in the surrounding
area will be aware of the intended district. I
Mr. Chase then moved to request the chairman of the Industrial
Development Committee to appear at the next Plan Commission meeting 1;
to give that committee's results on their investigation into areas
which are presently zoned industrial. Mr. Raimann seconded the motion. I
It was then determined that this could be discussed at the public
hearing and Mr. Chase withdrew this motion with the consent of his !I
second, Mr. Raimann.
After discussion, Mr. Buehler moved to recommend to the Common
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Mr. Chase then moved that in view of the Industrial Development
Committee's petition for rezoning to "Industrial Park" lands
adjacent to the Butcher-Imme property and because the Plan Commission
recommendslhe inclusion of this property in the petition for rezoning,
feels that the 1-1 zoning would be the best district in which to place
the Commission would support the Ada Butcher-Howard Imme request but
this trucking and warehousing busineas. Alderman Narlock seconded the
motion and the motion carried unanimously.
LEONARD OLDS - A public hearing was held April 16th, 1968, to
consims petition for conditional use and expansion of
conditional use for the purpose of an addition to the second floor
of the tavern located at W191 S7690 Racine Ave. to expand living
quarters.
Mr. Chase moved to approve this request for conditional use
and expansion of conditional use. Mr. Bertram seconded the motion and
the motion carried unanimously.
LIONS CLUB PARK - After review of a preliminary plan for Muskego
Lions Club Park proposed for Racine Ave. which had been prepared by
Waukesha County Park and Planning Commission 1-26-68, Mr. DeAngelis
moved to approve the preliminary plan as submitted. Mr. Raimann
seconded the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
COMMUNICATIONS """_
The following communication dated April 2, 1968, directed to
the City Clerk was read by the Recording Secretary and referred to
the City Engineer:
"Dear Sir:
prepare a Master Storm Drainage Plan for the City. Since storm water
drainage from a portion of your City apparently drains into. Franklin,
we are contacting you.
and facility alignments we would appreciate your cooperation and assi-
stance. We would like any pertinent information which you may have.
The Engineering Dept. of the City of Franklin is beginning to
In order to intelligently determine tributary areas, design flows,
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Roger A. Baumann" .. City of Franklin
The following communication dated April 2. 1968. iron the City
of Franklin, dated April 2, 1968, was read by the Recording Secretary:
"Dear Sir:
It has come to our attention that land is in the process of
development in your community west of our City limits on Tess Corners
Drive.
(St. Martins Road) and Woods Road will be arterial thoroughfares and I
should be capable of handling large volumes of traffic at medium
mutually consider and determine an alignment location for these streets
speeds. For this reason we are recommending that our two communities
in the vicinity of our common boundary.
Both your Master Plan and ours indicate that Tess Corners Drive
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April 22, 1968 e We believe this is urgent because of the impending development.
If a plat has been submitted to your city in this area, we would ap-
preciate receiving a copy of it.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Roger A. Baumann"
Planner Knetzger suggested that perhaps a meeting of the
Commission and the City of Franklin Plan Commission could be
arranged.
HIWAY l'Y1' RELIXATION - The following communication, undated,
from the State Highway Department was read by the Recording Secretary:
"Gentlemen:
a field review of the preliminary plan for the subject project with a
member of our Central Office staff and the area engineer of the Bureau
of Public Roads. Several suggested revisions were considered and dis-
cussed.
mentingthe suggested changes. As a result of this field review, the
and also made a field review of the situation with the idea of imple-
Committee determined to construct curb and gutter on both sides along
the entire length of the project. They further agreed to extend the
From this point easterly, the grade of the present road is such that
there is good sight distance for almost 1/3 of a mile.
Based on the Committee's decision, we will revise the plans and
send you a new set of prints along with right of way plats and descrip-
tions. If you have any question, call V. F. Demshar of this office.
This is to inform you that on 3/1/68, we had the opportunity to make a
On 3/6/68, our V. F. Demshar met with the County Highway Commission
work on this road to a point about 100 feet east of Lentini Drive.
Very truly yours,
/s/ L. G. Schneider"
dated March 19, 1968, was read by the Recording Secretary:
"Gentlemen:
HI-Y Subdivision.
of the east access of HI-Y Drive to the new route of CTH "Y" in the
to you from your Council setting forth that no discontinuance of a por-
tion of a street can be ordered. The City would have to receive a con-
by Wiscmsin Statutes, Section 66.296.
sent to the discontinuance signed by the necessary owners pre-subscribed
We are now in the process of the final detailed design for this
improvement, and it is necessary that we be informed whether your
@ wishes to have both HI-Y Drive and Simandl Drive of the above-mentioned
Planning Commission desires to proceed with this discontinuance or
Subdivision nake direct access to 115~ route ST r - I' """
.so that there would be no delay in completing fillal plans of .this
project.
The following communication, also from the State Highway Department
On November 7, 1967, we wrote to you concerning the possible closing
Then on November 22, 1967, we received a carbon copy of a letter
%a.rly receipt of reply regarding the above would be appreciated
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Yours very tru.ly,
/s/ L. G. Schneider"
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April 22, 1968 a Mr. Chase moved to reaffirm acceptance of the State Highway
Commission's proposal to close the east access of Hi-Y Drive in Hi-Y
Subdivision and to recommend to the Common Council that they proceed
with this discontinuance. Alderman Narlock seconded the motion and
the motion carried unanimously.
survey map which had been prepared by Waukesha Land Surveys, April 20,
1968, for a two parcel land division of the Myrtle Thode property in
Sec. 26. It was noted bythe Commission that this is the second
revised certified survey and will replace the map recorded April 2,
1968.
for Myrtle Thode property prepared April 20, 1968, by Waukesha Land
Mr. Chase moved to approve this redrafted certified survey map
Surveys. Mr. DeAngelis seconded the motion and the motion carried
unanimously.
HERBERT THODE ESTATE - The Commission reviewed a revised certified
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ADJOURNMENT - Mr. Buehler moved for adjournment, Mr. DeAngelis seconded
me motion and the meeting adjourned at 12:28 P. M.
Respectfully submitted,
Barbara J. Sands
Recording Secretary
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