PCM19670418CITY PLAN COIYMISSION CITY OF MUSKEGO
MINUTES OF PEETING HELD APRIL I 0, 1967 CITY HALL
MR. CHASE CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER AT R:OO p. IY. IN
THE ABSENCE OF MAYOR JEROME GOTTFRIED.
PRESENT: WILLIAM F. CHASE, SECRETARY, WILLARD BERTRAM, CHARLES BUEHLER, ROBERT GUMIENY, ALDERMAN S. ROBERT LENTINI
AND ED RAIMANN. PLAN CONSULTANT RUSSELL KNETZGER AND BUILDING INSPECTOR LEE WERE ALSO PRESENT. I~AYOR GOTTFRIED ARRIVED AT 0:45 P. M.
MINUTES: ACTION WAS DEFERRED ON THE MINUTES OF APRIL 4, 1967,
UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
BRUCE GULLEKSON - h. GULLEKSON APPEARED REQUESTING ARCHITECTURAL
AT W106 S6830 JEWEL CREST DRIVE. THE COMMISSION REVIEWED THE
GULLEKSON ADVISED THE COMMISSION THAT THE BASEMENT WILL BE
APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A BASEMENT UNDm HIS EXISTING RESIDENCE
PLANS SUBMITTED, AS WELL AS PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE DWELLING. MR.
11 COURSES ABOVE THE GROUND, THAT THE FOUNDATION IS PRESENTLY 4 COURSES ABOVE GRADE AND THIS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL 7 COURSES. ALDERMAN LENTINI QUESTIONED IF THE BASEMENT WILL BE USED
FOR LIVING QUARTERS AND MR. GULLEKSON ANSWERED THAT THE
LAUNDRY FACILITIES WILL BE MOVED INTO THE BASEMENT AND THAT
EVENTUALLY PART OF THE BASEMENT WILL BE USED FOR A RECREATION
aOOM, THAT THE ADDITION OF THE BASEMENT WILL CREATE MORE LIVING
AREA ON THE SECOND FLOOR. BUILDING INSPECTOR LEE ADVISED THAT THE SIZE OF THE
EXISTING DWELLING IS 22' x 41' AND ALSO POINTED OUT THE CLOSE-
5' AWAY, THIS MEASUREMENT FRON THE ROOF EDGES. BUILDING INSPECTOR LEE ALSO QUESTIONED THE ARCHITECTURAL VALUE AS THE
NESS OF THE TWO ADJACENT DWELLINGS, ONE 4' AWAY AND THE OTHER
HOUSE WILL BE RAISED CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN THE OTHER TWO
HOUSES, STATING THAT HEIGHT WNTROL IS 35' MAXIMUM AND THIS
HOME AS PROPOSED WILL STAND 32'.
OF THE DWELLING AS WELL AS SUITABLE WINDOW TREATMENT. MR.
GULLEKSON ADVISED THAT IT WAS HIS INTENTION TO EVENTUALLY ADD
HE ALSO POINTED OUT THAT THE EXISTING DOOR IN THE REAR WILL BE
REIMOVED. ALDERMAN LENTINI MOVED TO GRANT THE REQUEST OF BRUCE GULLEKSON TO ADD A BASEMENT TO HIS EXISTING DWELLING WITH THE
THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION AS TO EXTERIOR TREATMENT
ALUMINUM SIDING, BUT THAT IT PROBABLY WILL NOT BE DONE THIS YEAR.
CONDITION THAT HE NOT USE BASEMENT SASH WINDOWS, BUT INSTEAD
USE SLIDEBY UNITS OR TWO LIGHT, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS AND THAT
THE BLOCK BE PAINTED. MR. GUMIENY SECONDED THE MOTION AND THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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PARKLAND PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER - I%. DAVE COUTURE APPEARED
BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND PRESENTED A DRAINAGE PLAN FOR THE
PROPOSED PARKLAND PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER WHICH HAD BEEN PRE-
PARED BY H. C. WEBSTER & SON, CONSULTING ENGINEERS, APRIL 15, 1967. MR. COUTURE READ THE FOLLOWING EXPLANATORY COMMUNI-
CATION DATED APRIL 17, 1967, FROM H. c. WEBSTER & SON:
I1 DEAR HR. COUTURE: IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR REQUEST, THIS OFFICE HAS MADE A
PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION OF THE GRADING AND DRAINAGE PROBLEMS
OF THE LANDS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF LANNON DRIVE AND STATE TRUNK HIGHWAY "24", THE RESULTS OF WHICH ARE SUMMARIZED ON THE
ENCLOSED SKETCH, AND THE REPORT WHICH FOLLOWS.
SINCE THE SHOPPING CENTER FOR THIS DETELOPMENT IS TO BE
LOCATED AT OR NEAR THE LOWEST POINT IN THE AREA, AND SINCE THIS
LOW AREA HAS LITTLE NATURAL DRAINAGE, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF
BUILDING GRADES FOR THE CENTER NECESSITATES STUDY OF THE WHOLE
DRAINAGE AREA DRAINING TO THIS POINT. TOPOGRAPHIC MAPS SHOW
THAT IF THESE LOW POINTS DRAIN AT ALL, IT IS TO THE EAST,
NORTH AND NORTHEAST UNTIL ALL CROSS THROUGH A LARGE BOX CULVERT
GRADUALLY ACCUMULATING AND COMBINING WITH DRAINAGE FROM THE
AT THE INTERSECTION OF STATE HIGHWAY "24" WITH PIARTIN DRIVE.
795.0, WHICH WHEN EXTENDED THE 4000 FEET SOUTHWESTERLY TO THE
SHOPPING CENTER SITE AT A MINIMUM OF 0.3% GRADE RESULTS IN
e THE INVERT OR FLOW LINE ELETATION OF THIS Box Is APPROXIMATELr
REQUIRED DITCH (OR SEWER) ELEVATIONS OF APPROXIMATELY 807.0
FEET, THIS WOULD THEN MEAN THAT GROUND OR BUILDING ELEVATIONS
IN EXCESS OF ELEVATION 812. 0 WOULD BE REQUIRED AT THESE LOWEST
POINTS, RESULTING IN FILLS OF ALMOST 10 FEET. THIS SOLUTION THEN IS FAR TOO IMPRACTICAL FOR THE SITE
OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST TO FILL THEIR LAND TO HEIGHTS
CORRESPONDING TO THOSE SO ESTABLISHED BY PARKLAND PLAZA.
PROXIMITY OF THE SITE TO LITTLE MUSKEGO LAKE. THIS SOLUTION,
ALTHOUGH REQUIRING A LARGE OUTFALL SEWER TO THE LAKE APPROXIMA-
UNDER CONSIDERATION, AND WOULD ALSO REQUIRE FUTURE DEVELOPERS
THE OTHER POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE IS CREATED BY THE CLOSED
TELY 300 FEET LONG, ENABLES THE DEVELOPER TO UTILIZE BUILDING
GRADES SEVERAL FEET LOWER THAN THOSE FQUIRED UNDER THE PREVIOUS
STUDY.
As PER YOUR REQUEST, AN ELEVATION NO HIGHER THAN 000.0
FEET IS DESIRED FOR BUILDING NO. 4, AND THE SKETCH ENCLOSED
UTILIZES THAT FIGURE IN WORKING OUT THE TENTATIVE STREET AND
DITCH GRADES AS WELL AS THE APPROXIMATE SIZE AND DEPTH ,OF ALL
STORM SEWER AND CULVERTS DEEMED NECESSARY FOR ADEQUATE DESIGN. THE LIMITS OF THE SKETCH DO NOT INDICATE THE ENTIRE
DRAINAGE AREA, BUT ONLY THAT PART WHERE THE FILLING PROBLEM
IS MOST SEVERE. THE STREET PATTERN .INCORPORATED INTO THE STUDY
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APRIL 10, 1967
IS ESSENTIALLY THAT TO WHICH YOU INDICATED YOU EXPECT TO
CONFORM. APPROXIMATE DRAINAGE AREAS TRIBUTARY TO VARIOUS
POINTS WITI~IN THE SITE ARE GIVEN IN ACRES. QUANTITIES ENTERING
THIS SYSTEM FROM OUTSIDE ARE ALSO INDICATED TOGETHER WITH
SUGGESTED RUNOFF FACTORS TO BE USED IN THE DESIGN COMPUTATIONS.
STORM SEWER AND CULVERT SIZES SHOWN HAVE BEEN APPROXIITATFq
FROM THE CVMULATIVE DRAINAGE RUNOFFS AT THESE VARIOUS POINTS
AND WHILE THEY MAY NOT BE EXACT, THEY SHOULD NOT VARY MORE
THAN ONE PIPE SIZE FROM THOSE DETERMINED BY A COMPLETED SYSTEM
PLAN ADOPTED OFFICIALLY BY THE CITY OF MUSKEGO. WE HAVE
ATTEMPTED TO LAY OUT THE SYSTEM SO THAT IF THE LAGOONS OR
PONDS ARE ELIMINATED FROM THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT, STORM SEWERS
OR OTHER MEANS CAN BE USED TO CARRY THE RUNOFF TO ITS OUTLET
IN LITTLE HUSKEGO LAKE. SUGGESTED GRADES OF THE T~HOPPING~~CENTER COMPLEX SHOW
THAT THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE STEPPED WITH ALL DRAINAGE
DIRECTED AWAY FROM THEM. WE FEEL A STORM SEWER IS REQUIRED
IN THE SOUTH PARKING LOT TO PICK UP THE RAPIDLY ACCUMULATING
RUNOFF AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS. THE ROOF DRAINS CAN
ALSO BE CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO THIS SEWER. FILLING TO THE ELEVATIONS PROPOSED WILL CREATE A RIDGE
APPROXIMATELY ALONG THE EASTERLY BOUNDARY OF THE PROJECT LIMITS. LANDS EAST OF THIS RIDGE WILL CONTINUE TO DRAIN TO THE AFORE-
MAN-MADE RIDGE AS WELL AS APPROXIMATELY 48 ACRES SOUTH OF
STATE HIGHWAY 24 WILL ALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE OUTFALL SEWER
UNDER LANNON DRIVE. OF THE ESTIMATED 189 ACRES DRAINING
THIS DEVELOPMENT. AN EXACT DETERMINATION OF THIS FIGURE COULD
BE MADE TO ESTABLISH THE AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY
OF MUSKEGO IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OUTFALL SEWER. ALSO,
@ MENTIONED BOX CULVERT AT MARTIN DRIVE. LANDS, WEST OF THIS
It tl
TO THIS SEWER, AT LEAST 65 ACRES LIE OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF
POSSIBLY SOME SORT OF CREDIT COULD BE GIVEN THE DEVELOPER FOR
THE REMOVAL OF THESE 180+ ACRES FROM ITS NATURAL OUTLET TO
THE EAST, THEREBY REDUCING CITY RESPONSIBILITY IN THAT VICINITY. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, WALLACE G. NIENOW It
THERE FOLLOWED DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED LAGOON WHICH
ALDERMAN LENTINI QUESTIONED IF THE WATER WOULD GET
WOULD HOLD SURFACE WATER AND BE OF AESTHETIC VALUE.
STAGNANT IN THE LAGOON AND MR. COUTURE ADVISED THAT IT WAS
TO ELIMINATE STAGNANT WATER, CITING THE FOUNTAINWOOD AREA AS
EXCEED 6' IN DEPTH BUT THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE DEEP ENOUGH
FOR SMALL BOATS. ALDERMAN LENTINI QUESTIONED WHETHER OR NOT
THIS WOULD CREATE A SAFETY HAZARD AND MR. COUTURE ANSWERED THAT
h. COUTURE BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION THAT
REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH FLOW OF WATER
AN EXAMPLE. HZ ADVISRD THAT THE AMOUNT OF FILL NEEDED WOULD
DETERMINE THE DEPTH OF THE POND, THAT IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT
THE LAGOON WOULD HAVE A SHALLOW GRADE.
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APRIL 18, 1967
a TWO ENGINEERING FIRMS HAD WORKED ON THE DRAINAGE AND THEIR
PLANS WERE VERY SIMILAR. MR. BERTRAM QUESTIONED WHERE THE EASEMENT WOULD BE TO LITTLE ~IUSKTGO LAKE AND MR. COUTURE ANSWERED THAT THEY HAD A
LEE QUESTIONED OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND WHICH WILL BE USED FOR
15’ EASEMENT ON THE BEN MILLER PROPERTY. BUILDING INSPECTOR
8- 1 THE DRAINAGE EASEHENT TO LANNON AND HR. COUTURE ADVISED THAT
BEN MILLER PROPERTY ACROSS LANNON DRIVE, THAT THERE IS NO
THERE UAS AN EASEMENT ON THE 50’ PARCEL WHICH LINES UP WITH THE
QUESTION ABOUT THE TITLE TO THE LAND. MAYOR GOTTFRIED ADVISED THAT CITY ENGINEER FRANK RUEKERT
AND WALLACE NIENOW, CONSULTING ENGINEER, HAD DISCUSSED THE
DRAINAGE PLAN OF THE ENTIRE PARCEL; HOWEVER, CITY ENGINEER RUEKERT DESIRES TO SEE THE PLANS.
PROPOSED PARKLAND PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER TO CITY ENGINEER FRANK I%, CHASE MOVED TO REFER THE DRAINAGE PLAN FOR THE
RUEKERT. 1fR. BUEHLER SECONDED THE MOTION AND THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
PARKIJG TRUCKS IN THE CITY OF MUSKEG0 - ALDERMAN EDMUND BUDISH
APPEARED BEFORE THE COMMISSION REGARDING THE PARKING OF TRUCKS
WHICH IS PROHIBITED IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA BY SEC. 6.04 (4) G
OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. ALDERMAN 3UDISH ADVISED THAT HE WAS
ON THE TOWN ~’OARD WHEN THIS SECTION WAS ADOPTED AND THAT IT
WAS THE INTENT OF THE SECTION TO ELIMINATE NUISANCES IN
RESIDENTIAL AREAS. HE STATED THAT THE CITY WAS ENTIRELY RE-
ZONED IN 1963 AND THAT FARM AREAS ARE NOW ZONBD RESIDENTIAL
TRUCKS. HE STATED THAT CITIZENS HAVE BEEN SENT SUMMONS AND
THEREBY PROHIBITING THE PARKING OF VEHICLES LARGER THAN PANEL
LETTERS ADVISING THEM THAT THE PARKING OF THEIR TRUCKS IS
ILLEGAL WHEN THESE CITIZBNS HAVE BEEN PARKING THERE FOR YEARS. HE EEQUESTED THAT THE PLAN COHXISSION DETERMINE SOME WAY TO
MAKE THE ORDINANCE MORE LENIENT FOR AREAS WHICH ARE NOT
DEVELOPED ALTHOUGH ZONED RESIDENTIAL. THE RECORDING SECRETARY READ THE FOLLOWING COMMUNICATION
DATED HAARCH 22, 1967, WHICH HAD BEEN RECEIVED FROM CITY ATTORNEY HIPPENMEYER:
‘I DEAR HA Y OR GOT TFR IED : I AM IN RECEIPT OF YOUR LETTER OF MARCH 17, 3967, REGARDING
PARKING OF TRUCKS IN THE CITY OF I~USKEGO AND SECTION 6.04 (4)
G OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THE BEST SUGGESTION THAT I COULD OFFER TO SOLVE YOUR
ANY LOT OVER A CERTAIN SIZE. FOR INSTANCZ, LOTS IN EXCESS OF
PROBLEM IS TO PERMIT THE PARKING OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ON
1/2 ACRE LwouLD BE PERMITTED TO PARK ONE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE
ON THE LOT. THE LEGAL PROBLEM INVOLVED IS THAT IF A MUNICIPALITY
DISCRIMINATES AGAINST CERTAIN DISTRICTS OR LOTS, THERE MUST
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APRIL 18, 1967 e BE. A GOOD REASON TO DO SO, HAVING IN MIND THE GENERAL HEALTH,
WELFARE OR SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY. IT IS MY THOUGHT THAT
IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE ALL OF I~USKEGO WILL BE SUB-
STANTIALLY URBAN AND THE ORDINANCE, FOR THIS REASON, SHOULD BE
LEFT AS IS. AFTER THE PLANNER HAS CONSIDERED MY COMMENTS, I WOULD BE
HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH HIM TO FURTHE2 DISCUSS THE MATTER WITH
.VIM WITH THE VIEW TOWARDS SOLVING THE PROBLEM, IF AT ALL
POSSIBLE. SINCERELY,
/s/ E. S. KIPPENMEYER" IT WAS THE COMMISSION'S DECISION THAT THE COMMUNICATION
FROM CITY ATTORNEY HIPPENMEYER BE REFERRED TO PLAN CONSULTANT
RNETZGER FOR RECOMMENDATION.
FRAjIK AGENTZN - 1%. AGENTEN, S72 Id1 2487 TESS CORNERS DR.,
APPEARED REGARDING HIS REQUEST FOR APPROVAL TO BUILD A ROAD
THROUGH HIS PROPERTY IN THE OF SEC. 1. PLANNER KNETZGER SUBMITTED A PLAT REVIEW STUDY OF THE AGENTEN PROPERTY WHICH HAD BEEN PREPARED BY JELSON & ASSOC., APRIL 6, 1967, AND ADVISED THE COMMISSION THAT THIS LAYOUT
WAS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT THE FRONTAGE
ROAD WAS AYOIDED AND THE LOT LAYOUT WAS SIMPLIFIED ON THE lVE
CO.QNER. PLANP:ER KNETZCER ADVISED THAT HE PREFERS THE
BOULEVARD TREATMENT ON THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. MR. AGENTEN EXPRESSED HIS APPROVAL OF THE PLAT REVIEW
STUDY, ADDING THAT HE FAVORED THE ELIMINATION OF THE FRONTAGE
ROAD.
ih. CHASE EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE RAY FOELKER PROPERTY,
QUESTIONING IF THE ROAD TO THE WEST WOULD COME TOO CLOSE TO FOELKER'S DWELLING. PLANNER I~NETZGER ADYISED THAT IN THE FINAL
SATISFACTORY IN RELATION TO FOELKER'S HOME, IF NOT THE ROAD
SURVEY THE FIELD MAN CAN ASCERTAIN IF THE ROAD WILL BE
COULD BE SHIFTED SLIGHTLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF THE TWO LOTS WHICH WOULD
HAVE ACCESS TO TESS CORNERS DRIVE. PLANNER KNETZGER HAD
COMMISSION DID NOT APPROVE OF SHARED DRIVEWAYS POINTING OUT
NEIGHBORS. PLANNER KNETZGER INDICATED THAT HE HAD SUGGESTED
INDICATED A SHARED DRIVEWAY FOR THE TWO LOTS; HOWEVER, THE
THE PROBLEMS THIS COULD CREATE ON DOCUMENTS AS VELL AS BETWEEN
THIS AS A SAFETY FACTOR; HOWEVER, HE WOULD ACCEPT TWO DRIVEWAYS
BUT IF THE ALTERNATE PLAN WERE USED WHICH INDICATED 4 LOTS
ON TESS CORNERS DRIVE, HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SHARED DRIVEWAY e SYSTEM.
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0 THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF RECORDING THIS SUBDIVISION
AND IT WAS BROUGHT TO MR. AGENTEN'S ATTENTION THAT ONLY 4
LOTS COULD BE SOLD WITHIN A 5 YEAR PERIOD UNLESS HE WOULD
GET STATE APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION. IT WAS THE COMMISSION'S DECISION THAT BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL
COULD BE GIVEN TO THE ROAD PLANS, I%. AGENTEN MUST SUBMIT
DETAILED INFORMATION AS TO GRADES, PROFILES, ETC.
IUSKEGO REIV'DERING GO. - A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING MR. CARL WAUER'S REQUEST FOR EXPANSION OF CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE
MUSKEGO RENDERING Go., S81 W21392 WAUER LANE, WAS HELD JUST
PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING AN OFFICE BUILDING AND SCALE AT
PRIOR TO THIS REGULAR MEETING. MR. WAUER APPEARED AND ADVISED THAT IT IS HIS INTENTION
TO CONSTRUCT THE OFFICE BUILDING TO ALLEVIATE THE INCONVENIENCY
OF HAVING HIS OFFICE IN HIS HOME AND ALSO TOTRANSFER THE SCALE
FROM THE RENDERING PLANT. HE ADVISED THAT THE 22' x 44'
BUILDING WOULD BE SIDED WITH ALUMINUM. IN ANSWER TO A QUESTION FROM THE COMMISSION, I~R. WAUER
ADVISED THAT HE HAD NO PLANS FOR EXPANDING THE RENDERING
PLANT OPERATION AT THE PRESENT TIME. HE ADVISED THAT HE
DOES HAVE A COOLER WHICH HE HAS NEVER USED. MR. CHASE
ASKED IF ANIMALS ARE LEFT OUTSIDE AND MR. k/AuER ANSWERED
THAT FARMERS AND VETERANARIANS SOMETIMES DROP ANIMALS AT
THE DOOR. MR. MARK GARRY, W194 ST418 RACINE AvE., ASKED IF THERE
WAS A CHEMICAL PROCESS TO REDUCE THE SMELL AND IfR. WAUER
ANSWERED THAT THEY ARE PRESENTLY USING THIS METHOD AT THE
PLANT; HOWEVER, IT HAS NOT HELPED - THAT WITH RENDERING
COMPANIES THIS IS A CONSTANT PROBLEM. ITR. WAUER EXPLAINED
THAT HE HAD RECENTLY VISITED A MORE MODERN PLANT IN I~ILWAUKEE
AND EVEN THEY CAN'; GET A~AY FROM THE ODOR. HE STATED THAT
HE PLANS TO PUT A FOGGER ON THE OUTSIDE OF HIS BUILDING IN
AN EFFORT TO CONTROL THE ODOR; HOWEVER, HE ADVISED THAT HE DID
NOT KNOW IF IT WOULD PROVE SATISFACTORY. THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION CONCERNING THIS REQUEST
AT WHICH TIME THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED WHETHER OR NOT THIS
WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN EXPANSION OF THE BUSINESS. MAYOR
GOTTFRIED ADVISED THAT HE HAD JUST BEEN TO A MEETING OF THE INDUSTRIAL COMMITTEE AND HAD BEEN ADVISED THAT THERE WAS
INDUSTRIES IN HUSKEGO.
CONCERN THAT UNNECESSARY RESTRICTIONS HAD BEEN PLACED ON
HR. CHASE MOVED TO GRANT THE REQUEST OF CARL VAUER TO
BUILD A FRAME TYPE OFFICE, 22' X 44', AND SCLAE HOUSE TO BE
USED FOR OFFICE PURPOSES ONLY. uR. BERTRAM SECONDED THE
MOTION AND THE IMOTION CARRIED. IT WAS NOTED BY THX COMMISSION THAT I~R. WAUER HAD NOT
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APPLIED FOR A GRAVEL PERMIT SINCE 1964 AND ASKED ER. WAUER
ANSWERED THAT HE DID. THE COMXISSION ADVISED I%. WAUER TO
APPLY FOR A GRAVEL PERMIT IF HE DESIRES TO CONTINUE THE
GRAVEL OPERATION. THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF THE DUMPZNG OPERATION AND MR. VAUER ADVISED THAT IT WAS A PROBLEM TO KEEP THE DUMP PROPERLY
FILLED AS PEOPLE WERE DUMPING ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT
AND THAT IF THE GATES. WERE LOCKED, THE PEOPLS DUMPED OUTSIDE
THE GATES. MAYOR GOTTFRIED STATED THAT HE H.AD VIEWED THE SITE ABOUT
TWO WEEKS AGO AND FOUND THE DUMP IN SATISFACTORY CONDITION.
RUSSELL PAEPKE RUSSELL PAEPKE
AN ADDITION AT
- THE COMMISSION REVIEWED AGRIN THE REQUEST OF
RUSSELL 'S BOAT LIVERY, W14O S9329 ROXHORN DR., FOR EXPANSION OF CONDITIONAL USE TO CONSTRUCT
DISCUSSING WOOD STRUCTURE VS. PROPOSED BLOCK STRUCTURE, DUST
CONTROL, NUMBER OF PEOPLE USING THE FACILITIES, LACK OF
TOILET FACILITIES, ETC. THE RECORDING SECRETARY RTAD THE MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION MEETING OF MARCH 18, 1957, AT WHICH TIME THE CONDITIONAL USE WAS GRAXTED AND THE MINUTES OF THE PLAN
COMMISSION MEETING OF AUGUST 22, 1960, AT WHICH TIME MR.
PAEPKE HAD INQUIRED AS TO PROCEDURE TO REZONE HIS PROPERTY
SO THAT HE COULD ADD A STORAGE AND FURNACE ROOM, RESTROOMS,
AND BAIT ROOM. HOWEVER, THE PETITIONS WERE NOT FILED FOR
THIS REZONING. PLANNER KNETZGER STATED THAT HE WAS APPALLED THAT
CONDITIONS HAD NOT BEEN PLACED ON THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL
USE GRANT, THAT HE WOULD RECOMMEND CONDITIONS AS TO DUST
CONTROL, HOURS OF OPERATION, EXTERIOR LIGHTING, STORAGE OF
BOATS IN SUMMER AND WINTER, LjP~WN PARKING, APPEARANCE OF
BUILDING, ETC. BUILDING INSPECTOR LEE ADVISED THAT OF THE APPROXIMATELY
50 BOATS AT THE LIVERY, HALF WERE DUCK SKIFFS AND HALF FISHING
BOATS. PIAYOR GOTTFRIED SUGGESTED THAT THE COMMISSIONERS VIEW
MR. CHASE MOVED TO REFER THE REQUEST OF RUSSELL PAEPKE THE SITE.
TO PLANNER KNETZGER TO DRAFT APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS CONTINGENT
UPON GRANTING THIS EXPANSION OF CONDITIONAL USE. MR. BUEHLER
SECONDED THE MOTION AND THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
IYRS. DOROTHY BOLDT - THE COMMISSION REVIEWED THE CERTIFIED
SURVEY MAP FOR THIS 6 ACRE LAND DIVISION IN THE !is, SEC. 20, RS-1 DISTRICT, WHICH HAD BEEN PREPARED BY WAUKESHA LAND
SUR VE Y S . MR. CHASE MOVED TO ACCEPT THE CBRTIFIED SURVEY MAP FOR
hsS. BOLDT'S 6 ACRE LAND DIVISION. HR. RAIMANN SECONDED THE
MOTION AND THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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MICHAEL SAJDAK - BUILDING INSPECTOR LEE ADVISED THE COMMISSION
THAT MR. SAJDAK DESIRED TO MOVE A HOUSE FROM 5435 S. 1 08~~ ST.,
MUSKEG o HIGH SCHOOL.
OF THE EXISTING DWELLING AS WELL AS PLAT OF SURVEY OF THE LOT
ON RACINE AVE. BUILDING INSPECTOR LEE ADVISED THAT THE HOUSE,
MR. BUEHLER EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT AN OLD HOUSE IN A NEW
HALES CORNEFlS, TO A I$+ ACRE LOT ON RACXNE-AVE. NEAR THE
THE COMMISSION REVIEWED A PLAT OF SURVEY AND PHOTOGRAPH
IF MOVED, WOULD MEET THE SETBACK, ETC. REQUIRED FOR THE DISTRICT.
SUBDIVISION CAN CREATE A HARDSHIP, EXPLAINING THAT HOUSES
BECOME DATED AND MAY NOT BLEND IN WITH NEW SURROUNDINGS. ~IAYOR GOTTFRIED SUGGESTED THAT THE COMMISSIONERS LOOK AT
MR. BUEHLER MOVED TO DEFER ACTION ON THIS REQUEST,- THAT
THE LOT IN QUESTION AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.
THE COMMISSIONERS VIEW THE PROPOSED LOCATION AND THAT I%. SAZDAK BE ADVISED TO APPEAR AT THE NEXT PLAN COMMISSION MEETING.
HR. RAIMANN SECONDED THE MOTION AND THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
MICHAEL MALLICH - BUILDING INSPECTOR LEE EXPLAINED THAT MR. MALVICH, A MASON CONTRACTOR, IS PLANNING TO BUILD A NEW HOME
ON A LOT ON PARKER DR. AND THET HE DESIRES TO ALSO BUILD A
SECOND GARAGE STRUCTURE SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO HOUSE TWO TRUCKS
AND HAVE A WORK AREA. THE COMMISSION REVIEWED PLANS OF THE
PROPOSED DWELLING AND A PLAT OF SURVEY; HOWEVER, AS PLANS FOR
THE GARAGE STRUCTUXE WERE NOT AVAILABLE, ACTION WAS DEFERRED.
SIGN COIIMITTEE - MAYOR GOTTFRIED APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO
REVIEW AND RECOMMEND ON THE SIGN ORDINANCE IN RELATION TO
THE ZONING ORDINANCE, MEMBERS TO BE MR. CHASE, MR. BUEHLER, PLANNER KNETZGER, BUILDING INSPECTOR LEE AND THE MAYOR, HE ADVISED THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL MEET AT 7:OO O'CLOCK P. If., MAY 2ND, JUST PRIOR TO THE REGULAR ?LAN COMMISSION MEETING.
HIGHWAY Y RELOCATION - THE FOLLOWING COMMUNICATION DATED APRIL
THE RECORDING SECRETARY:
12TH, 1967, FROM THE STATE HIGHWAY COMMISSION WAS READ BY
I1 DEAR MAYOR GOTTFRIED: ATTACHED IS A PRINT OF PLAN SHEET COVERING THE SECTION OF
PROPOSED LINE OF CTH "Y" FOR ABOUT 3000 FEET NORTH OF HILLEN-
DALE DRIVE. As WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH THE PLAN PREPARATION
FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT WE ARE FACED WITH MANY PROBLEMS NEEDING e SOME TYPE OF SOLUTION.
ON A RECENT FIELD TRIP DURING WHICH WE RZYIEWED THE PRO-
POSED GRADE LINE OUR ATTENTION WAS FOCUSED TO THE CLOSE PROXIMITY
OF SIMANDL AND HI Y DRIVES. WITH THE HIGH TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT
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e PROPOSED FOR CTH Y AND ITS ULTIMATE IMPORTANCE AND INTENDED
FUNCTIONAL USE, WE BELIEVE ONE OF THE ABOVE ROADS SHOULD BE
CLOSED AT ITS JUNCTION WITIfi THE NEW CTH Y" WHEN CONSTRUCTED.
CONVENTIONAL FOUR-LEGGED INTERSECTION WITH THE NEW ROAD ABOUT
500 FEET SOUTH OF HI y nRIVE. ON THIS aASI7, 3;T APPEARS MORE
WOULDPROVIDE BETTER SPACING BETWEEN THESE TWO SIDEROADS AND
PROBABLE NEW ROADS TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBDIVISION.
I1 I1
I1
THE OLD ROUTE OF CTH Y" AND HILLENDALE DRIVE WILL MAKE A
DESIRABLE TO CLOSE HI Y DRIVE WHEN NEW CTH Y IS BUILT. THIS
PLEASE REVIEW THE ATTACHED WITH YOUR PLANNER AND PLAN COM-
MISSION AND LET US KNOW OF YOUR CONSENSUS ON THIS MATTER.
WE ARE HOPING TO SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE THE PLANS FOR THIS
PROJECT DURING THE NEXT FEW MONTHS so THAT THE COUNTY HIGHWAY
COMMITTEE WILL BE IN A POSITION TO BEGIN RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISI-
TION THIS FALL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ABOVE
OR ANY OTHER MATTER ON THIS IMPROVEMENT CALL V. F. DEMSHAR OF
THIS OFFICE.
/s/ S. T. BANASZAK YOURS VERY TRULY,
L. G. SCHNEIDER"
THE COMMISSION REVIEWED THE PLAN SHEET AS WELL AS A
PLAT OF HI Y RANCHES SUBDIVISION. ALDERMAN LENTINI ADVISED
THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF HIWAY Y THROUGH THAT AREA.
THE STATE HIGHWAY COMMISSION.
HILLENDALE REDEYELOPPIEIT - THE FOLLOWING COMMUNICATION DATED
TO THE COMMISSION, WAS READ BY THE RECORDING SECRETARY:
THAT THE RESIDENTS IN THE SUBDIVISION WERE CONCERNED ABOUT
THE PLAN WAS REFERRED TO PLANNER KNETZGER TO CONTACT
PIARCH 31, 1967, DIRECTED TO THE COMMON COUNCIL, THEN REFERRED
It GENTLEMEN: THIS LETTER IS WRITTEN AS A PETITION TO REQUEST A
VARIANCE FOR DIVISION OF LAND OF THE PROPERTY OWNED BY VAL HALBRUCKER (2) AND SYLVESTER KSOBIECH. A VARIANCE IS NZEDED BECUASE THESE LOTS ARE 05 FEET BY
1333 FEET. THE VARIANCE IS NEEDED TO BETTER UTILIZE THE
PROPERTY AND IT WOULD BE IN THE SIZE AND WIDTH. BECAUSE OF
BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE OWNERS AND TO THE CITY IF THESE PROPERTIES
THE LENGTH OF 1333 FEET, IT IS FELT BY THE OWNERS THAT IT WOULD
COULD BE DIVIDED. THEREFORE, WE RESPECTFlTI.LY REQUEST THE COMMON COUNCIL
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GRANT THE VARIANCE IN THE WIDTH AND OVER ALL SIZE OF THE LOT
BEING CREATED. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
/s/ VAL HALBRUCKER
/s/ SYLVESTER KSOBIECH“
PLANNER KNETZGER QUESTIONED IF THE AREA IS INTENDED
FOR SEWER AND ?~AYOR GOTTFRIED ANSWERED THAT THE SEWER HAS
BEEN SIZED TO INCLUDE THIS AREA IN THE FUTURE. PLANNER KNETZGER SUGGESTED THAT SINCE THIS AREA WILL EVENTUALLY BE
SEWERED THAT PERHAPS A BETTER LOT LAYOUT CAN BE CREATED FOR
,THE BENEFIT OF ALL TEE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA, AND
HE REVIEWED THE LOT LAYOUT WHICH HAD BEEN PREPARED BY NELSON
& Assoc. NOVEMBER 11, 1966. THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF THE
SMALLER LOT SIZE WHEN THE AREA BECOMES RS-1 DISTRICT. IT WAS THE COMMISSION’S DECISION TO DEFER ACTION ON
THIS REQUEST UNTIL THEIR NEXT MEETING.
EIfERSOD DRIVE ACCESSES - THE FOLLOWING COMMUNICATION DATED APRIL I ~TH, 1967, DIRECTED TO THE PLAN COMMISSION FROM SCHULTZ SAV-0 STORES WAS READ BY THE RECORDING SECRETARY:
II DEAR SIRS: THIS LETTER IS TO INFORM YOU OF A FEW MINOR CHANGES AT
THE PIGGLY VIGGLY STORE, VEST JANESVILLE ROAD,. XEW BERLIN,
VIS. VE WOULD LIKE TO GET PERMISSION TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING
CHANGES:
1. ELIMINATE THE SHRUBBERY ALONG HIGHWAY 24 AND REPLACE WITH
SOD TO THE CENTER LINE OF THE DITCH.
2. RELOCATE THE SHRUBBERY FROM BEHIND THE BUILDING WHERE THE
FENCE IS AND NOVE IT TO THE EAST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY LINE.
3. PLANT SHRUBBERY IN OUR DRIVEWAY PLANTER AS INDICATED ON
THE REST OF THE LANDSCAPING WILL REMAIN AS THE ORIGINAL PLAN
THE DRAWING.
CALLED FOR.
VE ARE ANXIOUS TO GET PERMISSION ON THIS CHANGE SO WE
CAN PROCEED WITH THE LAMDSCAPING PROJECT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME. VERY TRULY YOURS,
/s/ FRANK D. VELCH”
THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF SHRUBS VS. SOD, DRIVEWAY PLANTER,
MR. CHASE MOVED TO ACCEPT THE CHANGES AS PRESENTED IN
ETC., RESULTING TN THE FOLLOWING MOTIOPJI:
SCHULTZ SAV-0 STORES LETTER OF APRIL 17TH. ALDERMAN LENTINI
SECONDED THE MOTION AND THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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WILLIAM BROWN - THE COMMISSION REVIEWED A PRELIMINARY PLAT
REQUESTING DIVISION OF THREE LOTS OF THE WILLIAM BROWN
PROPERTY IN THE SES OF SEC. 24, R-3 DISTRICT, WHICH HAD
BEEN PREPARED BY WAUKESHA LAND SURVEYS, APRIL 10, 1967# IT WAS NOTED BY THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THERE WOULD BE THREE
ACCESSES TO NORTH CAPE ROAD, THERE WAS A QUESTION AS TO
WHETHER OR NOT NORTH CAPE ROAD HAD CONTROLLED ACCESSES. BUILDING INSPECTOR LEE ADVISED THAT THERE WERE SOME QUESTION-
ABLE SOIL CONDITIONS IN THE AREA. IYR. CHASE MOVED TO ACCEPT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE
DIVISION OF THREE LOTS FOR WILLIAM BROWN. MR. BUEHLER
SECONDED THE MOTION AND THE MOTION CARRIED.
CLIFFORD SCHILL - As CONCERNS HR. SCHILL 'S REQUEST FOR APPROVAL
OF EXTERIOR WALL TREATMENT FOR THE ADDITION TO CLIFFORD'S,
THAT A LETTER BE DIRECTED TO MR. SCHILL AND h. LAZYNSKI
EXCHANGE OF PARCELS BETWEEN h. SCHILL AND MR. LAZYNSKI BE CON-
SUMATED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. (Ih. LAZYNSKI OWNS A 50' R. O.V.
ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING AND KQ. SCHILL OWNS A 60' STRIP JUST
S76 w77745 JANESVILLE RD., IT WAS THE COMMISSION'S DECISION
EXPRESSING CONERN OF THE PARKING AREA AND URGING THAT AN
a EAST OF THIS R. 0. w.
ADJOURIVMENT - h. GUMIENY MOVED FOR ADJOURNMENT. HR. RAIMANN
SECONDED THE MOTION AND THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED AT 11 :35 P. ?fa
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
JARRBARA J. SANDS
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land planning and development consultants
1733 NORTH FARWitl AVENUi MILWAUKEE.WISCONSIN 53202 ARLA 414 271.1862 April 21, 1967
Mrs. Barbara Sands
City of Muskego
Box 34
Muskego, Wisconsin
Re: Plan Commission munutes of April 4, 1967
Dear Barbara:
Under the item "Jerome Drugs", Page 6, I feel the wording of my opinion
should more clearly express the strong objection I raised about the sign
under consideration, and the legal points involved. I would propose a
rewording of the second paragraph as follows:
"Planner Knetzger objected to the proposed size and brightness of the
6' by 28' florescent-plastic sign. He pointed out that a sign that size
exceeds the limits permitted in shopping center zoning (B-2 District) and
that while B-4 zoning permits larger signs, this area is under "Planned
Development'' overlay zoning, where more restrictive controls should
prevail, not less restrictive. The fact that the store is far back from the
highway is not justification €or the large, bright sign because a road
sign can be permitted. Allowing this sign will set an undesirable pattern
for the whole shopping center. At a minimum the height of the sign should
not exceed the top of the roof, and negative image letters should be used
to cut the brightness. Mr. Knetzger showed colored slides. . . etc. "
When the shopping center signs are submitted, and when other business
signs are involved, I want to be clearly on record as having opposed
this sign.
Sincerely,
NEJsPN 6 ASSOCIATES, INC
a M:lb Enclosure
MEMBER
ussell Knetzger KEC'D ~~ -
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CITY OF MUSKEG0
PLAN COMMISSION
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AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CONSULTING PLANNERS