PCM19660301PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF MUSKEG0
MINUTES OF MEETING HELD MARCH 1, 1966
CITY HALL
The meeting was called to order at 8:03 P. M. by William Chase as
Mayor Gottfried was not present.
PRESENT: William Chase, Sec'y, Willard Bertram, Charles Buehler, Ed
Budish, Clarence Walrath and Ed Raimann. Gerald Lee, Building Inspec-
tor, and Russell Knetzger, Consultant, were also present.
GLENN GREENWALD - As Mr. Greenwald, WI24 S10397 S. 124th St., did not
appear relative to division of land (Walter Hofmann Property) near the
to table this.
section line of Sections 25 and 36, it was the Commission's decision
WALTER GEIBEL - As Mr. Walter Geibel did not appear relative to his
request for division of land in Section 8, it was the Commission's
decision to table this.
CARL POSBRIG - Mr. Posbrig appeared relative to his request to allow
a multiple-family dwelling (duplex) on a 1 acre lot in Section 20
(Irwin Posbrig Property), area presently zoned A-1.
Planner Knetzger gave the following recommendation:
"At your meeting of February 15, 1966, you referred the above
matter to us for study and recommendation. We feel the interpretation
by the building inspector, that RSM or RSA Districts cannot be zoned
unless public sewer is designated ultimately for the area, is correct.
Since this area is not designated for public sewer, such zoning should
not be considered.
The onlv Dossible form of multiple dwelling that might be per-
missable in this area would be a two family unit under regulations
that we have casually discussed at past meetings. Under such regula-
tions two family units, if they closely resemble single family units
bility might be a two family basic zone or overlay which could be
in appearance, might be permitted as conditional uses. Another possi-
applied on portions of major arteries. However until such regulations
are drafted, studied and adopted, no multiple family unit could be
permitted in the above case."
Respectfully submitted,
NELSON 6 ASSOCIATES, INC.
should be directed to study multiple family zoning in Muskego but no
action was taken.
JOHN PETERS - After discussion relative to the conditional use re-
quest of John Peters for a light industrial operation in the SWk of
petitioned by John Peters. Mr. Bertram seconded the motion.
Section 25, Mr. Walrath moved to grant the conditional use as
Mr. Walrath amended the motion to include the condition that
there be further screening from Hiway 36, such plantings to be such a
height and fast growing as to screen the back end of the property on ,
the northwest side of the building, with the consent of his second
Mr. Bertram.
There was some discussion as to whether or not the Planner
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outline all of the conditions as petitioned and have such in writing
by the next meeting. He stated further that it was his opinion that
there should be a document to cause conditional grants to be recorded
at Waukesha so that future purchasers or lessees would be aware of the
conditions which have been placed on the property. He stated that he
will submit such a form to the Commission soon.
Planner Knetzger suggested that the attorney be requested to
COMMUNICATIONS: The following communications were read by the
Recording Secretary:
February 16, 1966
To :
City of Muskego Common Council
Gentlemen:
petitioned to be permitted the establishment of a parking lot on the
east side of Valley Drive. On those occasions he presented certain
proposals. At those same times there was practically unanimous
opposition from the property owners adjacent to the lot in question.
On the basis of the testimonies given, the Planning Commission denied
Mr. Maurice's petition.
On Feb. 15, 1966, another hearing was held at which time the
hearing was opened and a statement made that there was no new proposal
being made by Mr. Maurice, only that he had made another petition.
Even the sketches shown were the same that were used in the previous
hearing. On the basis that no new proposal was being made, I asked
0 being given the same consideration as before. I was assured that these
then if the statements made against the petition before were still
statements were still part of the record.
to go ahead with his parking lot. Being a rational human being, I
find it inconceivable that with exactly the same facts to go on that
the answer can be exactly the opposite of what it was before. To
me one and one will always be two. I, therefore, respectfully ask that
whatever explanation there may be that it be given me in writing within
one week. It is my plan to publicize whatever the answer is and let
the public decide. If I am in error as to the granting of permission
for having bothered you.
(in other words if my information is wrong) I apologize in advance
On two occasions prior to Feb. 16, 1966, one Richard Maurice
I have now been told that permission has been given Mr. Maurice
Very truly yours,
/s/ E. Merle Hampe
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directed to Mr. Hampe indicating that by applying 9 conditions to the
Lse, the Commission was assuring that the property would conform to
that a copy of the minutes of the meeting of February 15, 1966, be sent
the residential nature of the surrounding area. It was also agreed
to Mr. Hampe so that he would be made aware of the thoughtful considera-
tion given to this request and that there were two prior motions made
before final adoption arrived.
It was the Commission's decision that an appropriate letter be
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February 22, 1966
-0 Mayor Jerome J. Gottfried
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- Dear Mayor Gottfried:
interpretation of Sec. 8.10 B (1) of your Zoning Ordinance.
On February 18, 1966, you requested an opinion relative
The Building Inspector and the Planning Commission have
to the
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preted that section to- mean that a paved parking area for an adjacent
commercial property may be permitted as a conditional use.
confusing and open to more than one interpretation. Nevertheless, the
interpretation given by the Building Inspector and Planning Commission
is one of a number of reasonable interpretations. Evidently this
matter was referred to the Planning Commission by the City Council
pursuant to Sec. 6.03 (2). It has been determined pursuant to Sec.
therefore, my opinion in this instance that the City Council cannot
6.04 of your Ordinance that off-street parking is desirable. It is,
having made its decision, now reverse itself. (See our opinion dated
change the Plannlng Commission ruling, nor can the Planning Commission,
December 29, 19.65.) (Recorded in minutes of January 4, 1966)
Commission has given to Sec. 8.10 B (1) is not one which the Council
feels is good planning, that an amendment be then adopted removing
any possible ambiguity.
when faced with a legal problem of interpretation, ask for our opinion
We would agree that the wording of Sec. 8.10 B (1) is somewhat
It is further our opinion that if the interpretation the Planning
It is further our recommendation that the Planning Commission,
e prior to making their decision.
Yours verv trulv.
/s/ RichaGd S. Hippenmeyer ~~
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February 28, 1966
To :
Mayor Jerome Gottfried
Dear Mayor:
Re: Conditional Use in a Multiple Family District
had properly interpreted Section 8.10B(1) of the zoning ordinance in
deciding that it had the power to grant a conditional use permitting
a paved parking area as an accessory use.
of the administrative officer or of the plan commission may appeal
such decision to the Board of Appeals, provided such appeal falls
within the classification of the powers of the Board of Appeals.
The original problem here was whether the Planning Commission
Section 3.08(1) provides that any person aggrieved by a decision
Section 3.08 (2)D(1) urovides that the Board of ADDealS has the
power to hear and decide appeals where it is alleged thkre is error
in any decision or determination made by an administrative officer.
conditional uses. It is not "an administrative officer".
The Plan Commission, by Section 6.03 (1) has the power to grant
a
permitting a review by the Board of Appeals of this type of determina-
tion made by the Plan Commission.
necessarily be to the Circuit Court. The procedure is a matter to be
determined by the parties and their own legal counsel.
Yours very truly,
/s/ Richard S. Hippenmeyer
I find no provision in the ordinance, or the state statutes,
Thus it is my opinion that any appeal by an aggrieved party would
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there was discussion as to procedures in granting conditional uses.
Planner Knetzger reviewed Attorney Hippenmeyer's letters and
PLANNER'S RECOMMENDATIONS
Planner Knetzger suggested that the attorney be requested to
draw up a standard form to be used when easements are required on
adjacent properties.
Planner Knetzger stated that in accordance with the ordinance,
conditional uses as well as any rezoning must be shown on the Zoning
District Map, this to be refrred to Mayor Gottfried.
to the soil maps as their evaluation of soil does not appear to be
acceptable to the actual situation.
pertaining to same be kept in each petitioner's file for reference.
Planner Knetzger requested permission to contact SEWRPC relative
Planner Knetzger suggested that minutes of the procedure
VALLEY DRIVE REZONING - Planner Knetzger advised that he would have
a recommendation as to the rezoning of Vallev Drive from RSM to RS3
at the next meeting.
Building Inspector Lee reported that he had received an appli-
cation for a permit for an 0 family unit on Valley Drive. According
to Planner Knetzger the area in question would not be large enough for
an eight family unit and would have to be reduced to a four family unit
and this should be referred to the attorney to determine whether or not
this application could be accepted prior to a zoning change.
ADJOURNMENT - Mr. Budish moved for adjournment, Mr. Walrath seconded
the motion and the meeting was adjourned at 9:49 P. M.
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Respectfully submitted,
Barbara J. Sands
Recording Secretary
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Attached io a copy oi-%he minutes of the meeting of
March 1st-confirming tl@ Planning Commission's
&termination that a multiple family dwclling could
not be parmittad'in an agriaulturc zoned area.
Yours vevy truly,
PWI COMMISSION
Jerome J. Gottfried
Chairman
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Mr. John Peter8
1b65 S. 9bth St .,
West Allie, Wis:,
Dear Mr. Peters:
The Plan Commission wishes to confirm their becent decioion
to grant th'. conditional use &5 petitioned for a light
industrial operation with the cwftion that there be further
screening from Hiway 36, such plzhtfngs to be such a heighth
and fast growing as to soreen the back end of the p%bpertY
on the northwart ride of the building.
Yours veFy truly,
PLAN CO"ISSI0A
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Jerome J. 6ottfried
Mayor
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Muskego, Wis.
Feb. 16, 1966
City of Muskego Common Council
City Hall
Muskego, Wis.
Gentlemen:
On two occasions prior to Feb. 16, 1966, one Richard
Maurice petioned to be permitted the esWblishment of a
parking lot on the east side of Valley Drive. On those occasions he presented certain proposals. At those same
times there was practically unanamous opposition from the
property owners adjacent to the lot in question. On the
basis of the testimonies given, the planning Qommission
denied Mr. Ymurice' s petition.
On Feb. 15, 1966 another hewing was held at which
time the hearing was opened and a statement made that there
had made another petition. Even the s ketches shown were the
was no new proposal being made by 1.k. Maurice, only that he
same that were used in the previous hearing. On the basis
that no new proposal was being made, I asked then if the
given the same consideration as before. I was asssured that
statements made against the petition before were still being
these statements were sttll part of the record.
Mr. Maurice to go ahead with his parking lot. Being a rational
hman being, I find it inconceivable that with exactly the
of what it was before. To me one and one will always be two.
same facts to go on that the answer can be exactly the opposite
I, therefore, respectfully ask that whatever explanation there may be that it be given me in writing within one week. It is
my plan to publicize whatever the answer is and let the public
decide. If I am in error as to the granting of permission
(in other words if my information is wrong) I apologize in advance for having bothere& you.
I have now been told that permission has been given