Public Works Committee - MINUTES - 3/28/1996PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE - CITY OF MDSKEGO
MINUTES OF MEETING HELD THURSDAY, MARCH 28, 1996
The meeting was called to order at 7:05 P.M. by Chairman
D'Acquisto. Also present were committee members Suhr and Misko,
Mayor De Angelis, Ald. Rasmussen, Ald. Salentine, Public Works
Superintendent John Loughney, Plan Director Matt Sadowski, Richard
Eberhardt of Ruekert & Mielke and those per the attached list.
The committee noted that the meeting was posted on 3/25/96 in accordance with the Open Meeting Law.
Mr. Randy Schumacher, DNR, appeared before the committee to present an amended proposal agreement for construction of a fish
barrier at the Big Muskego Lake Dam. Mr. Schumacher presented several slides demonstrating the presence of a carp barrier at a site on the Oconomowoc River. Ald. Misko moved to provide
preliminary approval of the construction of an electrical fish barrier at the Big Muskego Lake Dam subject to concluding a
mutually agreeable contractual agreement and attorney review. Seconded by Ald. Suhr, motion carried 3-O.
Ms. Liesa Nesta, DNR, appeared before the Committee to answer
questions regarding the Moorland Road Extension. Maps depicting alternative routes C3, C3A, and C4 were reviewed and discussed. Safety concerns were raised as well as DNR procedure for wetland
classification.
The Committee reviewed the March 8, 1996 correspondence to Mike
Campbell, Ruekert & Mielke, from Lynn Torgerson, DNR Environmental
Engineer, (attached), as a follow-up to Mr. Campbell's request for
a decision on the appropriate methodology for floodplain mapping in areas that are considered "rapidly urbanizing". Ms. Torgerson
outlined the standards for developing floodplain mapping which is established in NR116.07. NR116 requires expected discharge rates
to be calculated based on projected future development
conditions. Ald. D'Acquisto moved to adopt the DNR's interpretation of NR116 as the city's standard for floodplain
management. Seconded by Ald. Suhr, motion carried 3-O.
Mr. Don Kresse appeared before the Committee to discuss the role
of roof conductors in facilitating drainage. Rich Eberhardt noted
that the city's ordinance prohibits direct downspout connection to
the storm sewer. Ald. Suhr moved to require that roof gutters and downspouts are not to be directly connected to the storm sewer. Seconded by Ald. Misko, motion carried 3-O.
Discussion on Victorian Villas follows under unfinished business.
There was nothing new to report on Premiere Development.
There was nothing new to discuss on Urban/Rural Drainage.
The committee reviewed road alignment for Moorland Road Extension above with Liesa Nesta, DNR.
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Ald. Rasmussen, John Bernhardt, Ed Herda and Attorney Boris Sodos
appeared before the committee to discuss status of Groveway Lane Right-of-Way. Plan Director Matt Sadowski reported that no
additional investigation had been completed beyond the conceptual
sketch. Mayor De Angelis reported that the committee had to
decide not only whether to accept Groveway lane as a private road,
but also whether to enable the affected property owners to negotiate individually with Muskego Lakes regarding acquisition of
any property needed for a road extension. It was noted that
without acquisition of the two parcels at the end of the
cul-de-sac, an extension of Groveway Lane would not be possible.
Supt. Loughney noted that the city has maintained Groveway Lane
for thirty (30) years. Ald. Rasmussen spoke in support of a
public dedication of Groveway Lane with the exception of those portions denoted in orange or pink on the attached sketch, as well
as the area labeled as an encroachment onto the Muskego Lakes
Country Club property. Seconded by Ald. Misko, motion carried 3-o. The Committee noted that negotiations were to be conducted privately between property owners Herda and Gullickson and the
Village of Muskego Lakes Country Club.
Mr. Don Kitten, Victorian Villas developer, appeared before the
committee to discuss grading and drainage plans, and to review city engineer's recommendation of March 28, 1996. The committee noted that the bike path was to be installed at the developer's expense. The committee further restated its policy of requiring the receipt of plans in a timely fashion prior to the committee
meeting in order to allow for adequate time for individual review. Ald. Suhr moved to approve the grading and drainage plans
subject to satisfying the terms and conditions of Ruekert &
Mielke's correspondence of March 28, 1996, as well as the
understanding that bike path installation will be at the
developer's expense and within public right-of-way, along with all grading and drainage work performed subject to review by Supt.
Loughney and Ruekert h Mielke. Seconded by Ald. Misko, motion
carried 3-O. Mr. Kitten was also required to submit to the city a
copy of the Waukesha County DOT permit for all work within
Janesville road right-of-way.
The committee reviewed revised proposal for curb and gutter
replacement for Meadow Green West Subdivision from D. C. Burbach, Inc., which had been submitted to Mayor De Angelis' office by Mr.
Greg Boehm. Ald. Misko moved to accept the revised bid subject to the utilization of sod rather than seed. Seconded by Ald. Suhr, motion carried 3-O. The committee further noted that the February
minutes reflect a request by the committee to require a revised
bid including sod replacement.
The Committee further discussed prior quotes for aerial mapping for the Little Muskego Lake HEC-2 Study. Ald. Misko moved to
direct the City Engineers to proceed with aerial mapping at a cost not to exceed $9,600. Seconded by Ald. Suhr, motion carried 3-O.
supt. Loughney advised that two employees have been randomly
selected and tested under the Substance Abuse Policy.
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The committee further discussed ownership of easement on Holly
Patch Ct., in the Lake Forest Subdivision. Ald. D'Acquisto
advised that the easement was determined to be the city's and
supt. Loughney is to proceed with cleanings as reflected in the
committee's minutes of February 22, 1996.
The committee reviewed correspondence from City Engineers dated
March 21, 1996, in regard to high bids received for Freedom Square
project. City Engineer Michael Campbell advised that their conclusions are as follows:
The proposed plans involve non-standard features and
materials not normally found on a typical storm sewer
job, resulting in higher than normal prices.
The project requires the crossing of Janesville Road
and the pipe is difficult and time consuming to lay;
and contractor will have to deal with a large amount of
traffic.
Due to the degree of difficulty, the hand labor involved and small
size of the project, many contractors are not interested in
bidding the project. Ald. D'Acquisto moved to direct Mark Paulat to contact Waukesha County to determine whether the county has an
interest in a plan modified in accordance with recommendations
contained in city engineer's correspondence of March 27, 1996. If
the county is interested in the plan modifications, Mark Paulat is
directed to seek a plan redesign. If the county reject the plan modifications, the matter should then be referred back to the
committee. Seconded by Ald. Suhr, motion carried 3-O.
The committee reviewed the correspondence of March 12, 1996,
advising that only one bid was received for the Lannon Drive
Turning Lane project from Payne 6 Dolan, Inc. in the amount of
$64,389.75. Ald. Misko moved to recommend acceptance of bid.
Seconded by Ald. Suhr, motion carried 3-O.
supt. Loughney discussed with the committee his request for
authorization to sell excess firewood as he has been approached by
an individual. Ald. Misko moved to direct Supt. Loughney to sell
the excess firewood subject to posting a notice as to firewood availability. Seconded by Ald. Suhr, motion carried 3-O.
Discussion of road sweeping and winter ice control was removed
from the agenda.
Aid. D'Acquisto reported that a constituent had requested a street
light at Preston Drive and Collage Avenue. A cost estimate of
approximately $500.00 was discussed. Ald. D'Acquisto moved to
approve a street installation with funds to be transferred to
#100.5600.6100 (Street Lighting-Utilities) from Contingency.
Seconded by Ald. Suhr, motion carried 3-O.
supt. Loughney discussed a possible state mandate as to the
location of storm sewers. Cost aspects of meeting the state
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mandates were also discussed. supt. Loughney expressed a need for additional information so that standards could be set. The Committee directed the City Engineers to provide the committee with information for setting of standards.
Mr. Bert Schneider, license holder for B. Michaels Pub on Martin Drive, appeared before the Committee to discuss Garnet Drive access. Mr. Schneider is requesting to keep Garnet Drive access
for bad weather and emergency purposes. Past committee actions
regarding the driveway access and pavement requirement were also
discussed. Ald. Misko moved to defer action to the April meeting,
pending clarification as to past actions taken as reflected in the
minutes. Seconded by Ald. Suhr, motion carried 3-O. Ald. Suhr
questioned whether the deferral would have an impact on meeting the June 30, 1996 deadline.
Mr. Don Kresse appeared before the committee to review need for
City Engineer inspection services for installation of storm sewer at Muskego Regency. The committee noted that $9,960 was
available in the letter of credit for inspection services. Rich
Eberhardt noted that the $9,960 amount should be sufficient for inspection purposes. Ald. Suhr moved to require inspection services at the Muskego Regency project, noting that it was
consistent with the city's actions for other projects. Seconded
by Ald. Misko, motion carried 3-O.
The committee reviewed offer from City Engineers regarding their
assistance in interviewing prospective consultants for the Lake Denoon Watershed Stormwater Management Plan (without charge) and
attending review meetings and/or to review draft reports on an
hourly basis at their normal hourly rates, since they are familiar
with the City and with the DNR Stormwater Management goals and objectives. Ald. Eilisko moved to accept Ruekert & Mielke's
proposal to assist in consultants review process. Seconded by
Ald. Suhr, motio:n carried 3-O.
There was nothing new to report on DOT response on asphalt
shoulders for So. 124th Street residences.
supt. Loughney noted that the Chapter 30 permit for Bluhm Court Drainage Ditch has been obtained.
Ald. Misko moved to adjourn at 11:40 P.M. Seconded by Ald. Suhr,
motion carried 3-O.
Respectfully submitted,
Ald. Mark Suhr Secretary
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March 8 1996
Mike Campbell
Ruekert & Mielke
W239 N 1812 Rockwood Drive
RECEIVED
MAR 1 5 1996
Waukesha, WI 53188-I 113
Dear Mike: RUEKERT&MlELKE,INC.
This letter is to follow-up on your request for a decision on the appropriate methodology for
floodplain mapping in areas that are considered “rapidly urbanizing” This follows a thorough
discussion on the matter in your office on Thursday, March 7, 1996. Although our
conversation centered around the development of mapping for Candlewood Creek subdivision,
this discussion is relevant for other future mapping projects. While the City may choose to be
more restrictive, NRI 16, Wise. Adm. Code, allows for stormwater regulations and other land
use ordinances to be reflected in the calculations and mapping of the loo-year floodplain in
rapidly urbanizing watersheds.
The purpose of floodplain management is to protect life, health and property from damages
associated with flooding. Floodplain zoning minimizes the risks by setting uniform standards
for development within the floodplain. Floodplain maps are used to identify the floodplain and
critical areas within the floodplain such as the floodway. These floodplain maps are
referenced in the City of Muskego Floodplain Zoning Ordinance(Chapter 14 of the Municipal
Code of the City of Muskego). The basis for the City’s floodplain regulations is found in
NR116, Wise. Adm. Code, Wisconsin’s Floodplain Management Program. NR116
provides the minimum standards which communities must administer and enforce.
The standards for developing floodplain mapping is established in NRI 16.07, Wise. Adm.
Code. The floodplain limits and maps are developed by evaluating the hydrologic and
hydraulic characteristics of the waterway and contributing watershed.
This section sets the minimum standards for the techniques, base data and mapping, and final
report for the mapping of the floodplain. The mapping must meet the provisions within this
section before it can be approved by the Department and used by the community for
regulating purposes. By meeting these standards, the mapping should produce a more
accurate picture of the areas of inundation during the I%-chance(or loo-year) storm event.
NRI 16.07(3)7 sets specific evaluation standards for rapidly urbanizing watersheds. A “rapidly
urbanizing watershed” is defined as one where more than 20% of the land area of the
watershed has been developed for residential, commercial or industrial uses or where
development of the watershed is project to grow at a rate of 10% or more in the next IO-year
period. Many areas in Muskego meet this definition. In these areas, development can cause
a significant change in the floodplain limits and have a negative impact on existing
development. To avoid potential future conflicts due to increased volumes, additional flood
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study standards were created to predict the floodplain limits based on future developed
conditions,
NRI 16 requires expected discharge rates to be calculated based on projected future
development conditions. In the past, the City of Muskego has used the planned land use
conditions as identified and prepared by the Southeastern Wisconsin Regional Planning
Commission(SEWRPC) as the basis for the hydrologic calculations in rapidly urbanizing areas.
This complies with the minimum state criteria as defined in NRI 16. These calculations did not
evaluate any stormwater detention practices required under the City’s stormwater regulations.
The question arises: since Muskego has a stormwater ordinance on the books that controls
the runoff to a strict degree, can someone developing new floodplain maps modify the
discharge to reflect this restriction?
The answer is yes, presuming that the City is actively and rigorously administering the
stormwater ordinance. NRI 16.07(3)7.b. allows for local land use ordinances to be reflected in
the determination of the regional flow discharge values. However, before using this, the City
and consulting engineers should take care in evaluating the situation to make sure that
assumptions are accurate. This means clearly identifying the allowable discharge,rates under
the stormwater ordinance.
If the contributing watershed crosses municipal boundaries, it will also be critical to identify the
appropriate contribution from these areas. Stormwater regulations are not yet mandatory, so
there is no uniform standard and the holding volumes and release rates often vary from
community to community.
In addition, while detention does control the rates at which water is released downstream,
varying times to peak and increased duration of flows must be addressed so that the model is
an accurate representation of the area expected to be inundated during the I%-chance
storm.
Documentation outlining assumptions and all data supporting these assumptions must be
provided to the City so that it is clear as to how the discharge values are to be obtained. The
intent is to have a map that accurately reflects the floodplain so that landowners are not
adversely impacted by increased development by others.
If you have any other questions, please call me at 414-263-8679.
Sincerely,
Lynn Torgerson
Environmental Engineer
c: Liesa Nesta
Dan Hunt/Al Lulloff - WZ/6
Mayor David DeAngelis
City of Muskego
WI82 S8200 Racine Avenue, P.O. Box 903
Muskego, WI 53150-0903
Matt Sadowski
City of Muskego
W182 S8200 Racine Avenue, P.O. Box 903
Muskego, WI 53150-0903
Bill RadlelCyndy DeBruine
R.A. Smith & Associates
16745 W. Bluemound Road, Suite 301
Waukesha. WI 530055938
Rick Schmidt
Bonosmo Andelik Rosene & Associates
1214 W. Venture Court
Mequon, WI 53092
Mike Hahn - SEWRPC
RUEKERT & MIELKE, INC.
Consulting Engineers
W239 N. 1812 Rockwood Drive
WAUKESHA. WI 53188-1113
(414) 542-5733